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Seems like he chops with the lps on the FH only if he was already twiddled to that side anticipating a BH attack but getting a ball to the FH.

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i think his bh pimples strokes arent good
his push isnt strong, fast
chops are decent thats all
for me his biggest strength are his attacks/smashes from bh (thats very unusual for pips players)
i didnt see any pip player with so strong inverted bh

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I disagree that his pips strokes aren't good. He uses his LPS not for aggressively attacking underspin like a push blocker, he uses them for placement off the serve, usually a short dropshot. He doesn't really "push" for deception or to win points outright, but why would you with an inverted hitting game like he has?

Now, if you are talking about a push in the inverted sense, he almost always pushes with inverted, and any chops vs. short topspin is chopped with inverted to set up his LP chops at distance. Brilliant work there I think.

His away from the table chops are very good especially for OX.

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I made same kind observation of Åkerströms play, they both don't try to do anything fancy with the pips - just tight pushes and chopping. Äkerström has also strong inverted BH. They also don't block much, but try to chop every time it's possible.

I and nearly every ox player I know do many tricky shots with pips, like drop shots or fast drives. I quess that in higher level it's useless or low persentage to try anything other than keep the ball in play.

Maybe the lesson to learn is just to avoid mistakes with pips. On the other hand, when strong inverted BH is missing and mobility is not to great to hit FH shots (like Åkerström does), what player can do other than try to trick with pips?

I'm afraid I agree with garbol about his chopping. He's reasonably effective but his stroke isn't pretty - starts too low, stance too narrow.

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Iskandar

Really guys? Perhaps he doesn't have the traditional wide-stance of many choppers, but I find the aesthetics of his chops to be very finessed, fluid, and relaxed. And, let's consider the fact that he is most likely way above any of our levels. He chopped RUWEN FILUS's loops back and played him very well. VERY well. I don't know about you guys, but I don't think I could consistently chop his loops back on to the table.

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I find that OX chopping kind of encourages this. When I chop with sponged grippier pips I find the dampening effect of the rubber and sponge to require a fuller stroke. When I chop with OX Dornenglanz, a full swing tends to sail them long as if the rebound off the wood needs a more compact stroke.

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Here's another OX chopper...more of a modern defender, and he does a lot of short strokes. He starts higher than Ericson, but he's also probably a foot shorter...(Just guessing there). Compact strokes...sometimes he takes fuller strokes, but for the most part they are more compact. You can't do that with P-1R. At the same time, you can't really consistently do a P-1R stroke on an OX setup either, not consistently anyway. It just doesn't kill the speed in the same way IMO.

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Am I the only one who finds this video mildly amusing because, unless there's a big crowd somewhere in the background that we're not seeing, it looks like there are just these two guys playing by themselves in an empty room, and yet there's this other guy standing there, flipping scorecards?


(Isn't part of the thing with the more compact strokes also that with OX pips, you can often chop a bit closer to the table, and the closer to the table you are, the more compact your strokes need to be?)

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conclusion is simply...
u can play competitive with any pip on any level (no matter what pip grip/frictionless or sponged/OX)
just give me movement and fh of any top chineese and i would be easy playing superleague

eg. ma lin played 90% with fh... with his movement and fh i will do good no matter what rubber u will have on bh

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Liu song is just like that...
He dont use his pips, but have a really great FH...

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Haha.

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Realized that there are quite a few number of videos of him on Youtube that doesn't seem to be posted here so I thought that I could throw them in here for ease of access. Sorted by date from oldest to newest.













Really nice angle in this one ↓

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