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Author:  Iguana [ 18 Jan 2018, 07:05 ]
Post subject:  Daniel Kleinert - Traditional Chopper

Recently found this guy on youtube and though some might enjoy. Chops on both back- and forehand and constantly twiddles.
Plays 3rd Bundesliga. Equipment is TSP Balsa 3.5, Victas V15 Extra, TSP Curl p1r
Has a channel on youtube.
He won the Ulster Open in 2015 as a 17 year old:


Other videos:



Author:  haggisv [ 18 Jan 2018, 09:23 ]
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Thanks for posting Iguana! He's really good!

Author:  Iguana [ 19 Feb 2018, 03:18 ]
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New video (best of top 12 state tournament):

Author:  dunc [ 19 Feb 2018, 23:05 ]
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He's absolutely superb to watch.

Author:  Japsican [ 28 Feb 2018, 03:05 ]
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Do you all notice how on his BH chops he puts his left hand on his elbow/proximal forehand to sort of guide his arm? This ensures his elbow stays close to the body, and that the stroke utilizes the elbow as a hinge.

I have an issue where I put my arm too far out to the side and the elbow and entire arm swings kind of to the side rather than using the elbow enough (kind of ugly). I wonder if this would help correct that.

Author:  pgpg [ 02 Mar 2018, 03:06 ]
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Japsican wrote:
Do you all notice how on his BH chops he puts his left hand on his elbow/proximal forehand to sort of guide his arm? This ensures his elbow stays close to the body, and that the stroke utilizes the elbow as a hinge.

I have an issue where I put my arm too far out to the side and the elbow and entire arm swings kind of to the side rather than using the elbow enough (kind of ugly). I wonder if this would help correct that.


I don't see a lot of it in the later videos and even in the first one it felt like I could only 'see' it when he was facing away from camera, so an illusion, perhaps :) ?

One thing I did notice: he moves in and out a lot, dropping back almost immediately (how come no one does drop shots on him, they keep looping it...). I just don't have that much space in the club ;( , perhaps it's a bigger issue than I realized.

Author:  Japsican [ 02 Mar 2018, 04:24 ]
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Well, he doesn't always touch it, but his hand always goes near the elbow/forearm area, and then he swings them both out at the same time. You're right, it looks more prevalent form the front. But even from the side or behind he does it here and there.

I still think there is a proprioceptive thing going on there. Perhaps he did that more so when he began as a habit-builder and then it's just sort of stuck.

Re: Drop shot...i saw it a few times. perhaps because his short game is so good, he is able to spin the ball up close to the table before dropping back. Also, he twiddles so much, the opponent has to think too much, maybe they are on autopilot because they're watching the rubber too much to see what kind of spin is on the ball.
Interesting observation tho.

Author:  Iguana [ 22 Apr 2018, 21:02 ]
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New Highlight video:

Author:  Ndragon [ 23 Apr 2018, 00:33 ]
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Iguana wrote:
New Highlight video:


I am subbed so saw this straight away. Absolutely amazing to watch this, if this doesn't hype you up as a classic or modern defender then I dunno what will.

Author:  Japsican [ 11 Aug 2018, 02:07 ]
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pgpg wrote:
Japsican wrote:
I don't see a lot of it in the later videos and even in the first one it felt like I could only 'see' it when he was facing away from camera, so an illusion, perhaps :) ?.


Could be. But I think it's a nice little guide to have...if you can incorporate it into your stroke.

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Author:  Iguana [ 27 Sep 2018, 16:21 ]
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According to the comments, the guy he played against is a known defense killer and this was his first win against him.

Author:  TTbuddy [ 27 Sep 2018, 19:56 ]
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Well played and a great win for Daniel. :clap: Dwain may be a defense killer but surely portrayed being a bad loser from his reaction at the end of the match.

Author:  dunc [ 27 Sep 2018, 23:20 ]
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Still my all-time favourite amateur to watch. I probably watch more of his videos than I do of the professional players!

I'd love to know what ball they were using in that match. It seemed horribly... wobbly and floaty? Like it was hanging around in the air. I'll ask!

Author:  Iguana [ 11 Oct 2018, 07:02 ]
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The old chopper vs. the young chopper: Chtchetinine vs. Kleinert



Other new matches:





Author:  skilless_slapper [ 12 Oct 2018, 06:09 ]
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Hmm, I don't think I've ever seen Chtet lose to another chopper! Maybe against Weixing or Joo, some extreme world class players, but don't recall seeing any such match.

The crafty old fox seems to always beat the younger defenders... why is that!

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