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PostPosted: 04 Jun 2016, 21:07 
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Dear Amir, I have i question for you :whew: :

Until now, I played with celuloid balls. Der materialspezialist Beast 1.2 on Yasaka Balsa did a very good job. I am talking about spin reverse. Precisely I was very satisfied with backspin after block opponents loops. Only the best player may attack 2nd and 3rd block, and have to push the ball or make a mistake. This was my opportunity to attack or finish the point with my short pips on the forehand.
Now, i am trying plastic balls, because we will play with this plastic balls next season in Serbia.
I an disappointed. The ball has low spin in every stroke, so the strongest weapon with Beast, backspin after block opponents loops, was disappeared. Opponent may aggressivelly attack such blocks.

Does DMS Transformer or DrN Buffalo solve this problem? Any suggestions? Amir, do you find a solution? :headbang:

P.S. Shot pips play better, because you can smash a lot of balls because of less spin and because game is slower, so you have more time to prepare a shot.

Transformer i better at this, and slower. If you are used to Beast in 1.2 mm a Transformer 1.0 mm will feel a little slower and with more spin reversal.

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mataxxl wrote:
One more conclusion:

I dont have solution for next problem: Good player serve speedy non-spin serve in my backhand, after that, i cannot give back shortly, because of speed of the serve. After that he attack very hard because he know that the ball in this situation has no spin. Do you have the same problem, especially you play better league than me.


1)plasticball: the first lesson to be learned here, is that the plasticballs differ extremely amongst each other. you will find similar spinreversal with balls like the donic traning ball or 3star ball, or the joola 3 star, nittaku sha 3 star...however balls like the nittaku premium or xushaofa enable clearly less spinreversal, the worst ball being the butterfly g40...its the worst of the worst.

the transformer offers better reversal, so in addition u might want to try that.

2) serve: you need to either push these serves aggressively, or try to play it short (this needs training, someone that teaches the technique- its not easy), twiddle or play it with your forehand.

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PostPosted: 05 Jun 2016, 01:55 
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the transformer offers better reversal, so in addition u might want to try that.


I've never used anti before, but I use Dornenglanz for similar purposes. How does using anti differ? What reasons caused you to use anti rather than LP?

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PostPosted: 05 Jun 2016, 03:55 
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Amir,

thank you very much for answer. I will try another plastic balls. I tried only DHS and Yasaka 3 star.

I made an order for Transformer 1.0. I will post my opinion.

Now, i am trying to twiddle and smash that flat serve with short pips. Further, i will practice to push aggressively.

Only one way how I found to return fast non spin serves is to go one step back and wait the ball to fall down, and return with chop stroke, something like will LP. But i know that this is not the best choice. Aggressive pushing is probably the best, but this is very hard stroke to learn.

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AA wrote:
the transformer offers better reversal, so in addition u might want to try that.


I've never used anti before, but I use Dornenglanz for similar purposes. How does using anti differ? What reasons caused you to use anti rather than LP?


the slick antis will make strong spinreversal possible with blocks, this is not possible with pimples with friction. slick antis however will require u to re-learn your entire technique entirely, as blocking requires you to open the blade with more incoming spin and close it more when there is less incoming spin, which is the exact opposite of playing with any other type of rubber. so it does require a lot of skill. with long pimples, you will be forced to chop(block) a lot (especially with stronger players, as pimples with friction will not allow a simple block without motion at the table), many times away from the table and its not what i like doing, it also doesnt help me with my short pimples being further away from the table in terms of my forehand. the advantage with long pimples is that they are more suitable for attacking, especially non spin balls and provide a less frustrating experience at the beginning, because as mentioned, slick antis are not easy to handle. the reason i changed was because there was some harassment concerning the question whether long pimples are treated or not and there is no way of proving either claim (treated/untreated), so u are at mercy of the referee. the main reason is that slick antis provide a far more dangerous block...attacking requires a looooooot of training, but it can be learned...so i decided to invest a lot into training, to reduce the downsides of slick antis and still am doing so ;)

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tnx for sharing AA... :up:

info about the plastic balls because we, in Croatia, are also starting to play with plastic this autumn so i now know which balls to buy,

and a little info on your personal reasons for playing with anti...

i agree on all, especially that it is a lot of hard work with antis :sweat:

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AA wrote:
LordCope wrote:
AA wrote:
the transformer offers better reversal, so in addition u might want to try that.


I've never used anti before, but I use Dornenglanz for similar purposes. How does using anti differ? What reasons caused you to use anti rather than LP?


the slick antis will make strong spinreversal possible with blocks, this is not possible with pimples with friction. slick antis however will require u to re-learn your entire technique entirely, as blocking requires you to open the blade with more incoming spin and close it more when there is less incoming spin, which is the exact opposite of playing with any other type of rubber. so it does require a lot of skill. with long pimples, you will be forced to chop(block) a lot (especially with stronger players, as pimples with friction will not allow a simple block without motion at the table), many times away from the table and its not what i like doing, it also doesnt help me with my short pimples being further away from the table in terms of my forehand. the advantage with long pimples is that they are more suitable for attacking, especially non spin balls and provide a less frustrating experience at the beginning, because as mentioned, slick antis are not easy to handle. the reason i changed was because there was some harassment concerning the question whether long pimples are treated or not and there is no way of proving either claim (treated/untreated), so u are at mercy of the referee. the main reason is that slick antis provide a far more dangerous block...attacking requires a looooooot of training, but it can be learned...so i decided to invest a lot into training, to reduce the downsides of slick antis and still am doing so ;)

AA, thans for this.
I am curious, are you better now than when you used pios? Did you use frictionless pips before they were banned? How long did it take for you to reach the same level with anti as you had with frictionless pips (if this was they way it happened)? If you don't take time for injuries into account (I belive you had some, right)?
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Def-attack wrote:
I am curious, are you better now than when you used pios? Did you use frictionless pips before they were banned? How long did it take for you to reach the same level with anti as you had with frictionless pips (if this was they way it happened)? If you don't take time for injuries into account (I belive you had some, right)?
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yes i used frictionless pips until they were banned..when i played frictionless pips, i was playing 1 (one year) and 2.national league (12 years) and played the last two years in the state league, due to time constraints..i then continued with normal long pimples in the state league for another 2-3 yrs..and then changed from pimples to slick anti in the middle of one season and only had about 1.5 months time to adjust :sweat: ...i would say i played 20% worse in that season. i then played another season of the state league and played about 10% worse than usual (still good;) ). and in the last season/year 2015/2016 i had my comeback in the 2.national league and played approx. the same like i did in the past :party:

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AA you switched to Donic Baxster?


yes, in the last video i posted u can see me playing with it. it has a higher throw than blowfish+ and many other short pimples..i make far less mistakes with it, much better control when hitting..

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PostPosted: 15 Jun 2016, 16:58 
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Hi there Amir. Do you have any info on the new DMS rubbers?

Hellcat (SP)
Rebellion (LP)
Diabolic (Anti)

To me Diabolic sounds like a rubbere even more nasty than Transformer :devil: .


hellcat is a medium pip rubber with disruptive effect. its coming out very soon and a video will be released beforehand ;)

i`m afraid i dont have permission to say anything about the other rubbers, but diabolic isnt coming out anytime soon.

Hello. Now some time has passed and I wonder if there is some more info on Diabolic. I am just curious if it will be a follow up to Transformer or another type of anti? I would like this info to decide weather or not to try the new Neubauer or if I should wait for Diabolic... but perhaps I should just mail Guido :) ...

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Hello. Now some time has passed and I wonder if there is some more info on Diabolic. I am just curious if it will be a follow up to Transformer or another type of anti? I would like this info to decide weather or not to try the new Neubauer or if I should wait for Diabolic... but perhaps I should just mail Guido :) ...


all i will say is that the next anti wont be any time soon.. late second half of the year but it really is worth the wait;)

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Hello. Now some time has passed and I wonder if there is some more info on Diabolic. I am just curious if it will be a follow up to Transformer or another type of anti? I would like this info to decide weather or not to try the new Neubauer or if I should wait for Diabolic... but perhaps I should just mail Guido :) ...


all i will say is that the next anti wont be any time soon.. late second half of the year but it really is worth the wait;)


Damn... it was the same when you just would tease us with small pieces of info about the Transformer... Argghhhh.... I want to know more... and I supose you have already played a good amount of sessions with it :envy: :envy: :envy: . Oh well, hopefully Guido will answer my email and add a few more pieces of info :devil: .

Anyway, thanks, you did answer my question (just left me wanting more info :) ). Be well!

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Anyway, thanks, you did answer my question (just left me wanting more info :) ). Be well!


haha anytime! i promise i will say more when its ok ;)

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Amir,
We can see that Luka and you switch to Revolution blade instead of Destroyer. Tell us the differences if exist, we can see that Revolution is slightly faster. Isn't it? I will order Destroyer, Revolution or eventually Phantom so i need help to decide. Where spin reverse gives better results with Transformer (or Mega block)?

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