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The funny thing is the LP blocker could actually serve legally without much trouble and then have a serve which would be legal and possibly more lethal. Not to mention he probably wouldn't have so many muffed serves if he made a legal toss. It would be interesting to see him play then, so his game could be appreciated without the serve issue distracting it all. Of course would still be good to see him play a better player...someone like PingPongRob.

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from what I have seen with many of the opposition Der_ecte played against tend to just serve to get the ball over ?
I would think many of us have some serves that are not strictly legal, I remember someone saying something to me about my serves are not always high enough, I said I have played for 25 years and no one ever said anything to me, then a month later an official umpire said please toss the ball a bit higher lol
i still think IMO that the toss back serve gives players more advantages than lazy social low toss serves

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I will have to check again but I thought the match was close. If so, why would it be good to see him play a better player?
If the guy everyone keeps reffering to as a looper had asked for things to improve his game, there would have been a flood of info to correct his footwork, how to loop, how to get power, which foot forwards for forhand, how to serve better, how to push, good stance, how to open, half long serves, on and on and on. From a coaches viewpoint, there are an endless number of flaws in his game. I think if the original question had been different, the resulting thread would have been much different. It is like people are now responding to protect thier rating system instead of a fair comparision to other players. Or maybe to protect the blockers style. If the blocker is so much better than the other guy, why dident he kill him? No consistancy? Gave away too many serves? He would not be close to 2000 in my book. I have a student that would take the "looper" guy. He would lose to the blocker though as he does not have enough experience against pips yet.

Good points Hookshot, but I don't get enough from one vid of the 2x inverted players to make more solid conclusions that still could be wrong. I saw enough of the blocker to get an idea of how he would fare vs the mean of mid to advanced level attackers.

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You must have looked at an old vid of me playing div 4. The div 2 dudes and teh div 1 guyz are no joke on both serve and receive. Div 4 is full of holes, but many have a very good attacking game and plenty of fight.

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Just look at 95% of coach MaCfee's serves many just drop down from high and never is tossed at all and most serves are the same as the two in the video, and he teaches coaches

Yes I would agree with Hookshot about the attackers flaws but he looks to be a self taught player at mid age ,and even then he could get better technically if someone helped him, but in general many players like him/me and others are just having a fun night out and a bit of excersize and away from the TV and computer

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yes they have (all seem to attack nicely) but some of the vids (some LP ladies) just do a serve in the same place everytime

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I don't think anyone is trying to criticise either of the players out of hand (as it were ). Rather we are just speculating about what US standard they would be at - in particular whether they would be around US2000. I'm in the hookshot camp on this one - neither looks to be in the same class of most of the US2000 I have seen.

I'm sure they will be very disappointed about that lol, I never tend to guess these things and don't know if two Americans could agree
I would say better than average

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Unless a particular player goes to another country and participates in the tournaments and leagues of that country, then trying to compare their level to another country's is always going to be pure speculation and guesswork with no-one's opinion being truly more valid than anothers unless someone's is really outrageous. I very much doubt these 2 guys played their local leagues finals match with the idea that they would be discussed as to how they would rate against another club letalone another country. As rodderz said, just guys out for some fun and exercise away from the house. Pretty standard sort of stuff for us downunder. Of course its fun to discuss the aspects of anyone's game, but you cannot be critical of them when you have no clue as to what it takes to walk in their shoes.

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Well, just by walking in our own shoes I think we have a clue what different levels of play look like.

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Yeah Rodderz, the OX LP Achuma Brigade generally serve only 3 serves.

1. Long fast cut with some spin variation

2. Barely short underspin

3. Fast serve with OX LP

That is about it. Some of them have a tricky serve motion so it can be rought to tell the exact ammount of spin.

With these players, I have to take a lot of power off my serve receive and try to send it back deep with a lot of spin. That is usually troublesome to them and wins the point right away, but I still have to read the serve, be in position, and make the right stroke, which may or may not work 100% of the time.

One or two of them can sometimes try a very short no spin to FH.

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Of course you can, but what I mean is you don't know the reasons behind why people you see playing, play the way you see on video, without knowing a lot about the person/s. There may be mitigating factors which may make criticism unwarranted. For example, what if you knew the attacker had just recovered from serious back surgery or the LP blocker has a broken left wrist making his toss as good as he can manage? (These are not real situations, just examples).

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Other reasons or conditions do not mean anything. We were asked how we would rate them as seen on the vid.

Of course they do mean something. Are you telling me you'd be highly critical of someone who was having a go despite knowing they were highly impaired from something? That would be harsh wouldn't it? Would you want someone to be overly critical of you if you showed up in a vid on the net playing a match when you had something preventing you playing as well as you normally could?

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S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
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