OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 29 Mar 2024, 19:51


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2017, 18:58 
Offline
The Court Jester
The Court Jester
User avatar

Joined: 23 Apr 2010, 09:33
Posts: 1348
Location: Canada
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 121 times
If you know who these 3 great TT players are, you are approaching senior age. :clap:



Top
 Profile  
 

PostPosted: 05 Feb 2017, 19:37 
Offline
The EJ's Boogyman
The EJ's Boogyman
User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2010, 12:20
Posts: 2518
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 144 times
I had a poster of Jonyer on my bedroom wall and a picture of Li Chen Shih on my batcover. I guess that makes me a senior. :)

I suspect there are thousands of 50 and 60 year olds out there who had Jonyer as their hero when they were kids.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 06 Feb 2017, 01:45 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2009, 11:18
Posts: 287
Location: Michigan, USA
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 41 times
I was able to take a couple hours of coaching from Li Zhenshi when he first came to the US. I consider that to have been a great privilege.

At that time he still used in practice sessions his original blade, one made in his home town by a woodworker. He said he used that one blade for his whole playing career. It was a thing of beauty showing deep finger wear grooves in the wood from being used continuously for years and years. That's the opposite of an EJ, one blade forever. Also in competition played 802 pips forever if I am not mistaken.

_________________
OSP Ultimate cpen
Acuda S1 Turbo
Hallmark Phoenix ox


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 07 Feb 2017, 12:55 
Offline
The Court Jester
The Court Jester
User avatar

Joined: 23 Apr 2010, 09:33
Posts: 1348
Location: Canada
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 121 times
Too bad none of these 3 great players are in the ITTF hall of fame.

Zhang Li won more gold medals for China in the 1970's than anyone. Rumour has it that she was ordered to lose to the N Korean player in the world finals.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 07 Feb 2017, 13:28 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10671
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1384 times
I got to watch Jonyer play at the World Cup in Kuala Lumpur - can't remember the exact year. He was playing a Brazilian Japanese penholder. Wowed the crowd with some very high lobs. His compatriot Klampar eventually beat Xie Saike in the finals.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2017, 09:00 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 18 Feb 2011, 10:37
Posts: 229
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 34 times
Blade: DonicWaldnerSenso
FH: Sriver FX-Max
BH: TSP Curl P-1R 0.5
That would be 1981, Iskandar. :)

I'm amazed that Jonyer isn't in the ITTF Hall of Fame - this is a man who won the World Championship in 1975 and led Hungary to a famous win over China in the '79 Worlds to take the Swaythling Cup. Looking at that film, it's great to see that he still has something of his looping skills intact 40 years on. (And I remember them from when I was a teenager, so I'm another one of those 'seniors' :oops: )

Back in the day, Li Zhenshih had the reputation of being the fastest player close to the table, but he never really did himself justice in the majors. But then those were the 'Friendship' years...

Which is why his wife Zhang Li, who was undoubtedly the best Chinese woman player and probably the World's best woman player in the mid-70s, never won the World Championship. Several contemporary reports of the two World Finals where she lost to Pak Yung Sun of PRK agree that Zhang didn't seem to be trying and even looked happier than Pak at the end of the '75 Final, having achieved the aim of gifting the title to North Korea.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2017, 14:06 
Offline
Comeback Chopper
User avatar

Joined: 29 Feb 2012, 09:48
Posts: 328
Location: State College, Pennsylvania, USA
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 72 times
zzzuppp wrote:
That would be 1981, Iskandar. :)

I'm amazed that Jonyer isn't in the ITTF Hall of Fame - this is a man who won the World Championship in 1975 and led Hungary to a famous win over China in the '79 Worlds to take the Swaythling Cup. Looking at that film, it's great to see that he still has something of his looping skills intact 40 years on. (And I remember them from when I was a teenager, so I'm another one of those 'seniors' :oops: )

Back in the day, Li Zhenshih had the reputation of being the fastest player close to the table, but he never really did himself justice in the majors. But then those were the 'Friendship' years...

Which is why his wife Zhang Li, who was undoubtedly the best Chinese woman player and probably the World's best woman player in the mid-70s, never won the World Championship. Several contemporary reports of the two World Finals where she lost to Pak Yung Sun of PRK agree that Zhang didn't seem to be trying and even looked happier than Pak at the end of the '75 Final, having achieved the aim of gifting the title to North Korea.


I am also amazed the Jonyer isn't in the ITTF Hall of Fame. Anyway, it was wonderful to see these three players again. The last time I saw Jonyer, was in May 1975, when I refereed a match that he easily won. He was an incredible player in those days. I can't imagine what his loop would be like if he used modern-day experience. In those days, he used Tackiness D, and his loop was so incredibly fast and spinny, reminding me of Xu Xin's loop today.

Seeing Li Zhenshih was special too. I will always fondly remember when I first entered the Netaji Indoor Stadium in Calcutta, for my first practice in the 1975 World Championships. The first person that I saw upon entering the playing arena was Li Zhenshih. Seeing him, at that moment, made me feel so lucky and fortunate that I really did accomplish my teenage dream of making it to the world championships. If anyone on the forum knows Li Zhenshih, I would very much appreciate if you can tell him this from me.

With regard to Zhang Li, I was watching this match up close from the 3rd or 4th row. Everyone sitting near me agreed that Zhang Li had been ordered to lose that match to Pak Yung Sun. That was unfortunate.

Steven

_________________
Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk
Butterfly Tenergy 80-FX 1.9mm
TSP Curl P1R 1.4-1.7mm
--------------
Returned to table tennis September 2011
Canada National Team Member, 1973-1975
--------------
1972-1987
Brickell Balsa/Birch 3-ply Blade
Yasaka Mark V 1.5mm
Joola Toni Hold AntiTopspin 2.5mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2017, 14:23 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10671
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1384 times
Was Tackiness out in 1975? Can't remember - I always thought the Hungarians used Sriver (and were the earliest speed-gluers). Jonyer had anti on the backhand (as did many other players of the era). That straight armed loop with lots of sidespin was sort of his signature.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2017, 17:10 
Offline
Blockhead
Blockhead
User avatar

Joined: 07 Jan 2009, 19:20
Posts: 2163
Location: UK
Has thanked: 82 times
Been thanked: 162 times
Blade: Timo Boll ALC ST
FH: Tibhar MXP max
BH: Tibhar FXS 1.8
carbonman wrote:
I had a poster of Jonyer on my bedroom wall and a picture of Li Chen Shih on my batcover. I guess that makes me a senior. :)

I suspect there are thousands of 50 and 60 year olds out there who had Jonyer as their hero when they were kids.

Desmond Douglas for me! Legend.

Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk

_________________
Timo Boll ALC ST
FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P Max
BH Tibhar Evolution FX-S 1.8
185g


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2017, 20:10 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 33337
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 2741 times
Been thanked: 1548 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dr N Troublemaker OX
iskandar taib wrote:
Jonyer had anti on the backhand (as did many other players of the era). That straight armed loop with lots of sidespin was sort of his

Really? :o :o :o

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2017, 23:04 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10671
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1384 times
haggisv wrote:
iskandar taib wrote:
Jonyer had anti on the backhand (as did many other players of the era). That straight armed loop with lots of sidespin was sort of his

Really? :o :o :o


Yup.. Seen it written here and there. Strange when you consider he had a powerful backhand - must have been twiddling. Hard to tell sometimes, the earlier part of his career was before the two color rule. Back then it was probably Sriver Killer, but I did come across an article after he had retired and was running a sporting goods store that he had switched to Super Anti.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 18 Mar 2017, 02:46 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User

Joined: 16 Oct 2007, 13:44
Posts: 2908
Location: Houston
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 152 times
iskandar taib wrote:
haggisv wrote:
iskandar taib wrote:
Jonyer had anti on the backhand (as did many other players of the era). That straight armed loop with lots of sidespin was sort of his

Really? :o :o :o


Yup.. Seen it written here and there. Strange when you consider he had a powerful backhand - must have been twiddling. Hard to tell sometimes, the earlier part of his career was before the two color rule. Back then it was probably Sriver Killer, but I did come across an article after he had retired and was running a sporting goods store that he had switched to Super Anti.

Iskandar


No. He Jonyer not have anti on his backhand! All you have to do is watch him loop with his BH to see that is nonsense.

_________________
Butterfly Viscaria Black tag
2.2 mm Nexy Karis M on FH and BH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 18 Mar 2017, 02:57 
Offline
Comeback Chopper
User avatar

Joined: 29 Feb 2012, 09:48
Posts: 328
Location: State College, Pennsylvania, USA
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 72 times
iskandar taib wrote:
Was Tackiness out in 1975? Can't remember - I always thought the Hungarians used Sriver (and were the earliest speed-gluers). Jonyer had anti on the backhand (as did many other players of the era). That straight armed loop with lots of sidespin was sort of his signature.

Iskandar


I had also thought that Jonyer used Sriver until I read on a butterfly website (at least I think it was a butterfly website) that he used Tackiness D. I don't know if he used more than one rubber during his career, and I don't know what he used when he won the World Championships in 1975. I still remember the point on which he won the world title. Stipancic was away from the table chopping, with Jonyer ahead 20-19 in the fifth game. It was an amazing experience to be on the floor watching the match.

_________________
Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk
Butterfly Tenergy 80-FX 1.9mm
TSP Curl P1R 1.4-1.7mm
--------------
Returned to table tennis September 2011
Canada National Team Member, 1973-1975
--------------
1972-1987
Brickell Balsa/Birch 3-ply Blade
Yasaka Mark V 1.5mm
Joola Toni Hold AntiTopspin 2.5mm


Last edited by birding&table.tennis on 18 Mar 2017, 03:13, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 18 Mar 2017, 03:10 
Offline
Comeback Chopper
User avatar

Joined: 29 Feb 2012, 09:48
Posts: 328
Location: State College, Pennsylvania, USA
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 72 times
I also can't believe that Jonyer used anti on his backhand. He probably had one of the most powerful backhand loops in the history of table tennis. Jonyer's backhand loop was so powerful that he could force his opponents all the way back to the barrier with it. The only modern-day player I can think of with a comparable backhand loop is Kreanga, and it is certainly impossible to do those types of loops anti.

If I am not mistaken, Jonyer was the first player in table tennis history to have a powerful backhand loop. On his backhand, he could add sidespin in both directions, so the ball could explode off the table in either direction. It was amazing to watch!

As an interesting side point, during the World Championships, Jonyer had made the semis, and he was waiting to play the winner of Kohno and Surbek. Our coach was Zlatko Cordas, former member of the Yugoslavian team. With those pairings, Zlatko told me that Jonyer was certain to reach the final. He said that Surbek had no chance against Kohno, since Surkek lacked a powerful backhand loop. And he said that Kohno had no chance against Jonyer, because Jonyer did have a powerful backhand loop. It turned out just as Zlatko said it would. Kohno won easily over Surbek as did Jonyer over Kohno.

Steven

_________________
Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk
Butterfly Tenergy 80-FX 1.9mm
TSP Curl P1R 1.4-1.7mm
--------------
Returned to table tennis September 2011
Canada National Team Member, 1973-1975
--------------
1972-1987
Brickell Balsa/Birch 3-ply Blade
Yasaka Mark V 1.5mm
Joola Toni Hold AntiTopspin 2.5mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 18 Mar 2017, 07:05 
Offline
The EJ's Boogyman
The EJ's Boogyman
User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2010, 12:20
Posts: 2518
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 144 times
It sounds bizarre but Jonyer did actually use anti on his bh for a while. It was towards the end of his career.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next




All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2018 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group