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Here is the final from my club's championships a few days ago. Both are using Stiga Allround, Yasaka Pryde or Mark V on FH and 755 ox on BH, but they play differently anyway. Amir, the short one, uses his FH side almost all the way over to BH side. Rashwan uses his FH almost all the time close to the table and his pips almost only a few steps away from the table. These two fellows have played each other since they were like 10, they know each other ridiculously well. Rashwan has been playing double inverted for a few years, he changed to lp three monts ago (he played this setup a whole year or two about two years ago). They both play in div 3 in Sweden.

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Very nice play. Although the amount of LP play was less than the title suggested! Short guy had a nice block. Tall guy big FH w long strokes. I would love to play at that level.

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Me too . But I almost beat the tall guy one time, but at this little championship he crushed me (I had a really bad day, like I was made of concrete or something ). When he is in good shape his FH is very heavy and it curves very much. The short one is more swift with short strokes, not as powerful but with good placement. Both of them are very FH-oriented but they do back away from the table sometimes. Depends on who is on the other side of the table. They haven't been training at all this year (only playing team matches once every third week or so) and therefore they don't have the right speed and accuracy in their strokes or feet.

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Blade: Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk | FH: DHS NEO Skyline 3 | BH: Dawei 388D Grass20 1,0 mm
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack

I like the way Amir hits some backhands with the forehand rubber and extreme forehand grip and a 'seemiller' action plus other backhands with a backhand grip shift and the long pips. I wonder if he ever hits a backhand with the long pips but still in his extreme forehand grip. He looks awkward trying to reflex block strong loops to his bh but the loops in this match are VERY strong and maybe nothing would work anyway.

I've seen some recreational players play the seemiller/shakehand backhand but Amir is by far the best I've seen. I've just started working on something similar but I have to use a separate seemiller grip because my arm isn't flexible enough to hit a seemiller backhand with even an extreme fh grip.

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If you want to see a good offensive seemiller, have a look at Giovanni Cnapich from Perth.Videos on DTop's website.

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Boy, for 10 minutes I thought either you didn't know your seemiller from your twiddle or you were yankin' my chain. Gio hits about 1-2 seemiller bh's per game in the two matches vs choppers I downloaded. Wish I had a match vs a topspinner to see if he does it more often.

Looks like he uses his normal forehand grip but its so fast its hard to tell. No way in h*ll I can 'seemiller' a bh w/o a half twiddle or a broken arm. At one point it looked like he twiddled then used the lp on the 'fh' to seemiller with on the bh. Way cool.

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I looked at some of the other videos and Im in one, classic

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He normally moves away his index finger from FH side when using BH. He never twiddles besides when serving and he never hits with that almost Seemiller-grip, only blocks. He can block quite well with that grip and control most loopers I have seen him playing against, but like you noticed, Rashwans loops carry a little too much sidespin and speed for him to control (he also had severe problems against the heavy looper I played against in the match viewed in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=15534).

I have some more clips with Amir facing two other players in my club. I am making a longer film from my clubs championships where I will place those clips. I will put it out here as soon as it is ready.

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Blade: Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk | FH: DHS NEO Skyline 3 | BH: Dawei 388D Grass20 1,0 mm
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack

Here are a little more of playing with 755 ox on BH. Skip the first minute and then there are a few clips from different matches.

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Blade: Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk | FH: DHS NEO Skyline 3 | BH: Dawei 388D Grass20 1,0 mm
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack

I wonder how Division 3 in sweden would translate to USATT rating.. Those guys seem pretty good!

I know that Keith Alban used to play in Sweden in 1999 and he played Division 3 BUT I doubt that he lost too many matches in Division 3 as he later played Division 1. (he was rated around 2400 back then) However, I do not have his record in either Division, so it would be hard to tell. From watching those guys, I'd think that they are somewhere between 2200 and 2400 level but there's no way of telling.. Videos might be deceptive and are not a good tool to estimate playing level..

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great vids ther , who won the point at 4.48/ when 1 player moved the table?

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Speedplay is right, I play in div 6 (we finished 2nd and will probably play div 5 next season). Also my buddy Lennart (seen in the first "real" match in the film above) plays in my team. Anders Ingemarson who plays in the quarter-final against Henrik Nikka and against Amir in the semifinal has actually not been playing more than a few times last year. But he played really good that day (he beat Rashwan, the winner, in three straight games, although Rashwan was playing horrible that match). Henrik Nikka, Amir and Rashwan played div 3 last year, but they did not win many matches (wins-losses):
8-16 Lazkani, Rashwan
8-23 Shahmoradi, Amir
2-21 Nikka, Henrik

@Rodderz, the smasher (Henrik Nikka) won that point. I am not sure he is allowed to move the table like that, but we weren't that serious .

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Blade: Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk | FH: DHS NEO Skyline 3 | BH: Dawei 388D Grass20 1,0 mm
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack

I think that my guess was pretty good then.. 2200 = weak Div3 level and 2400 = high division 3 level.. That could be about right then.. So, if those guys are at the bottom of Div3, they would probably about my level or so, I'd guess. However, I do think that they both would probably beat me but it's hard to tell..
As there is overlap between leagues, I'd assume that Div. 2 would be 2300 - 2500 level, Div 1 from 2400 - 2600 level and 2500 - 2800 in the Elite Division... Well, it's just a guess anyways..

I just recall a swedisch player that played a few tournaments in the US.. I don't know what Division he played but I'd assume that it was Div. 1 or 2...
His name is Johan Eriksson.. His US rating is 2541. However, this was 10 years ago.. Wonder if the guy still plays and what Division he plays..

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You are right, vids don't show level well. Camera angle is a crucial factor in how the game displays. Def-Attacks cam angles are always very good. Better than most vids I've seen barring the pro ones. These guys look more impressive than most of your vids I've seen PB, and besides most of yours being from a worse angle, your style is way less aggressive and this is another factor which tends to reduce the "wow factor" of a TT vid, but it doesn't necessarily make you a worse player. You may indeed be better and more consistent. Only way to really tell is to play them. These guys were fairly consistent, but being as aggressive as they were they also missed quite a lot (whether it be forced or unforced). All that said, its obvious they are decent players. Nice vid Def-Attack!

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I couldn't find any vid with "NZ C Grade" in the title! nor could I find "Sheepish Clips and Comebacks from Behind"

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I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red National Pogo Ox
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs Ox
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 BH Red Dornenglanz Ox
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