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There are now some videos of me on youtube...






These videos are about a week or two old...my FH chop is much better and my FH and BH pushes are better too.

forget if there are any BH chopping in these videos...

Constructive criticism welcomed. do your worst.

I know I need to move my body on loops more, and to anticipate it and get into position better and serve spinnier etc etc but still say it anyways

My coach is Tim Aikey, USATT 2000ish, used to play in Vermont (his old USATT rating is in there somewhere) He uses Aurus and TGIII NEO on a Samsonov Alpha SGS. He's pretty solid.

I have a funny story...last night I was playing with Peter and I hit a wayward ball at a high-leveled junior sitting in the next court over and he ducked except the ball hit him square in the head...

EDIT: how do i embed movies? or do I have to wait for Reb to do that for me?

ilp, erase the & sign and everything past it in the address and they will imbed. I don't know why it is like this, but it will work. I look forward to watching your vids .

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Don't worry, Reb embedded them for you.

I've watched the first vid so far and the prognosis is not good I'm afraid. Well it depends on how you look at it. Its not good if you want to stay a chopper.

Your chopping is very inconsistent and is going to take a long time to ever be useful in a match, looking at how it is in coaching. Sorry to be blunt. But there is an upside, and that is when I see you loop on the ball it looks a more natural action for you and something that should be worked on more. FH looping is much easier to develop consistently than FH chopping. Besides the inconsistency your chops are way too high, but this is ok at your level while coaching and trying to get other parts of the stroke worked out. I think you should seriously consider working on looping more than chopping. In fact, I'd give the FH chop away for now, because as you get better at judging depth and height in hitting, the chopping is something that will be easier to develop later if you still want to.

As for your BH chopping, I will watch the other vids to see if there is any.

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Yes, I'm afraid FH chopping will have to be a last resort. But looping is pretty god for me. I just have to get into position.

You should see how good I am at lobbing

Waiting for my coach to upload videos of todays session...

OK, I have watched the other 2 vids and they look more promising. At least your push has some potential on both FH and BH! You do need to make more minor positional adjustments and be more on your toes while you push, and pay more attention to your racket angle, but you are developing some skill there.

In the last vid your FH block shows good potential as well. What I saw was some focus in the beginning that held some consistency, but that slipped away after not very long and you began to miss a lot more. Tells me your mind isn't quite on the job as much as it should be. You need to develop your brain as much as any other technique. It needs to be "in the game" all the time. When it fades in and out, so will your consistency. It does not help that your coach seems to be running on automatic a lot of the time also. He isn't paying enough attention to what you are doing, which is obvious as he sends the ball at you when you are not ready, quite often. However, if you were more switched on to what he was doing, this wouldn't be such an issue. You need to be more alert and you will develop faster and get more value from the coaching. Also, don't be afraid to give the coach feedback about things as you go. You have a somewhat blank expression, which may leave him in doubt about what you are "getting" and what you are "not getting".

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First video has chopping, second has a match, third has service practise

Ilikepie,
Thanks for the vids.
A few comments;
Your push is excellent. Most people wait too long to push. You have obviously been coached to take it on the way up. Stroke should be very short, just inches. Contact should be made in the direction you want the ball to go. There is another push that should come later, aggressive push from the top of the bounce but get this push down first.

Your loop and slow counters look very good. Suggestion, crouch lower. Goes for pushing also. Spread your stance more. Pushing is eaiser when you are low, kind of like looking down a gun barrel. My coaches were always telling me, "LOWER" "LOWER".

Wider stance allows you to move sideways quicker. Notice when you served right at your coach, he still moved and looped it.

I refuse to teach chopping to beginners. It is up to you. If you like it, go ahead but I think you have a hard road ahead of you at this point. It will be much eaiser to learn after you get the other strokes developed. Trying to learn chopping will spread your time out too far.

After watching you play a game against your coach I am quite impressed with your serve action. It needs to work on the height and placement, but its a good foundation you have there. Your pip blocking needs to find the right angle on your bat, but you are getting there. Keep listening to the coach and working on each thing with focus and purpose and you will improve quickly. Don't let your mind stray!

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S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red National Pogo Ox
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs Ox
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 BH Red Dornenglanz Ox
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Agree, your service is getting there, BUT, I think your coach was trying to tell you something without saying it. After you serve, you are standing to sideways. Square up to the table more with a wider stance so you can move sideways for third ball. Your coach kept returning your serve to the wide forhand and you could not get in position because of your stance after your serve. Wider stance!

Thanks for the input guys.

For the push I remember Hookshot saying something about pushing earlier, and I just took that advice.

My problems are consistency, focus and laziness. All can be worked on, fortunately.

Is my self assigned rating good enough?

Your chop footwork on both sides is wrong - you're squaring up to the ball at impact instead of doing chopping triangles. I seriously think that if you want to develop your chopping game further, you're really going to have to find a proper chopping coach.

From your first 3 videos I couldn't see you as a chopper - It doesn't look natural to you, you're just swiping at the ball a lot of the time - but the latter videos were ok, and you started to get the twist (though I dont think you got the footwork) on your backhand chop. Your game video looks like a pip blocker, not a chopper.

One thing to think about; lots of people think the push is a passive shot. Rubbish. You can be highly aggressive when pushing and you'll notice that a lot of choppers tend to do this. Your game video looked like you were just standing there planted, bumping it back waiting for the next ball. What happened to your pushing from the first lot of videos?

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Since I've only seen your forehand chopping vid, I think I will give some insight to it.
Forehand chop is one of my most consistent stroke, so I think I could give a bit of 'advice' on that part.

1. Foot position.
If you are a righty (as seen in the vid ), start the stroke by stepping your right foot to the right, and the palm of your feet will be facing sideways, almost parallel to the table's end line.

2. Time to chop
You should hit the ball around your knee level, you take it too early, sometimes almost at the peak of the bounce. That explains why your chops are very high.
Chopping a high ball could be done if you are a few meter away from the table.
But still in most case esp. our playing level, the the ball needs to be taken lower.

3. The arm and the body motion
To be consistent in chopping, both backhand and forehand, you need to minimize the use of your upper arm and swing your forearm mostly. Only snap your wrist if you are already consistent chopping without wrist and desires to impart more spin.
The starting position should lift your upper arm almost level to your shoulder. When the ball is descending, your body should shift to your right feet, this way your body is 'crouching' sideways.
Take the ball around your knee level using a bit open racket angle and mostly downward motion if the loop is strong and with a bit forward motion if the loop is not very fast. Always try to brush faster than the spin on the ball.
Don't forget, when taking the ball, only your forearm swings. The upper arm moves as the finishing / relaxation motion after the contact.

Hope this helps

I think I will post a vid of me chopping so you could see me chopping and in that way I could be corrected too

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Very nice attempt to help your fellow TT student Yosua, kudos to you

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I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red National Pogo Ox
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs Ox
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 BH Red Dornenglanz Ox
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