OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
Live Table Tennis Videos Table Tennis News Live OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 18 Dec 2017, 12:44


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: 23 Sep 2009, 09:22 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31589
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1512 times
Been thanked: 979 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
Looks like OOAK shop is out of stock... I'll fix that :evil: :twisted: :lol:

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis Equipment
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide


Top
 Profile  
 


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!

PostPosted: 23 Sep 2009, 11:20 
Offline
Liquid Evil Chopper
User avatar

Joined: 11 Aug 2008, 16:46
Posts: 869
Location: Sydney
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
haggisv wrote:
Looks like OOAK shop is out of stock... I'll fix that :evil: :twisted: :lol:


Excellent...*rubs hands* :lol: Any ETA on that?

_________________
BTY Joo Se Hyuk | BTY Tenergy 64 2.1mm | TSP P1R 1mm

Chop til you drop baby!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 23 Sep 2009, 15:20 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31589
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1512 times
Been thanked: 979 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
Probably a few weeks... I think we had it in 1.0mm only...

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis Equipment
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 23 Sep 2009, 18:10 
Offline
Liquid Evil Chopper
User avatar

Joined: 11 Aug 2008, 16:46
Posts: 869
Location: Sydney
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
1mm is good enough for me. I get first dibs yeah? :mrgreen:

_________________
BTY Joo Se Hyuk | BTY Tenergy 64 2.1mm | TSP P1R 1mm

Chop til you drop baby!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 23 Sep 2009, 20:12 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31589
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1512 times
Been thanked: 979 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
You got it! :mrgreen:

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis Equipment
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 07 Oct 2009, 22:49 
Offline
HE-LP on land or sea
User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2008, 13:53
Posts: 992
Location: Yokosuka, Jp
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
Its a great allround pips rubber. Good at everything, excels at chopping.

_________________
Stiga OC CR
FH: Nittaku H2 NEO
BH: VEGA PRO MAX

Yasaka YEO
FH : Nittaku H3 Neo
BH : VEGA PRO MAX
Go Chicago White Sox!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 Nov 2009, 07:26 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 28 Sep 2009, 10:55
Posts: 74
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
I'm not sure if this rubber excels at chopping. I dont think MP rubbers are built for choppers, blockers benefit from this rubber more.

It's not enough reversal and deception like P-1R and can't make enough underspin on its own like spectol. It's true this is all around pips rubber that can do everything, but it's not for people who mainly chop with it.

_________________
Blade: Vioncello
FH: DHS skyline tg2 2.15mm
BH: Spectol 1.7-1.9mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 Nov 2009, 08:20 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31589
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1512 times
Been thanked: 979 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
I would agree that this is the case for most MPs, but the millitall can generate a lot of spin, and as such a lot of variation. I feels more like a control style long pip to me than a attack style medium pip.

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis Equipment
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 Nov 2009, 08:26 
Offline
Secret Agent Double OX
Secret Agent Double OX
User avatar

Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 06:49
Posts: 10713
Location: USA
Has thanked: 314 times
Been thanked: 406 times
Blade: Dr. Neubauer Barricade
FH: Tibhar Super Defense .9
BH: Dr. Neubauer Gangster
haggisv wrote:
I would agree that this is the case for most MPs, but the millitall can generate a lot of spin, and as such a lot of variation. I feels more like a control style long pip to me than a attack style medium pip.

There are some SPs that can be used for chopping, so there must be some MPs, as well. Although I'm not a real chopper, I always thought Nittaku Pimplemini 1.3 was pretty good for chopping.

_________________



The MNNB Blog has had some pretty amazing stuff lately. Just click this text to check it out.
| My OOAK Interview
Table Tennis Video Links: itTV | laola1.tv | ttbl | fftt | Challenger Series | mnnb-tv

No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you.
Homer J. Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 Nov 2009, 05:26 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 28 Sep 2009, 10:55
Posts: 74
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
haggisv wrote:
I would agree that this is the case for most MPs, but the millitall can generate a lot of spin, and as such a lot of variation. I feels more like a control style long pip to me than a attack style medium pip.


Well, prolly i will give it another go. I tried Millital on a Joo blade, and i cant get enough reversal nor putting heavy underspin, my coach smack every ball without even breaking a sweat. Is this rubber work the best with medium or soft wood?

Any MP chopper in this forum? What is the playing tactic for using MP? What is the correct strokes for chopping with it? I've never seen player chop with MP on high level play (so i can copy the strokes) or a coach that can teach chopping properly with MP. Please enlight me.

_________________
Blade: Vioncello
FH: DHS skyline tg2 2.15mm
BH: Spectol 1.7-1.9mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 Nov 2009, 06:01 
Offline
Sitting on Defence
Sitting on Defence
User avatar

Joined: 09 Feb 2007, 04:42
Posts: 1390
Location: USA
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 31 times
Blade: Victas K.M.
FH: VS>401 2.0mm
BH: Dtecs 0.5mm
You're better off emulating short pip choppers as far as strategy goes. You're right about the reversal: it's not enough to win points on its own. You have to do a good job with keeping the ball low/placed awkwardly so they can't attack strongly, then you need to vary the spin enough to draw a mistake. It's a good pip to train your chopping with though because after using this a while, chopping with long pips will be a breeze :) Ultimately, I went back to long pips because I didn't feel like I could dedicate the time required to play properly with this pip.

_________________
Grab a free copy of the only training and nutrition guide written specifically for the table tennis athlete: The Table Tennis Player's Guide to Health and Fitness.
Feel free to PM me with any health, training, or nutrition questions :)

Kit: Victas Koji Matsushita | Victas VS > 401 2.0mm | Dtecs O.5mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 14 Nov 2009, 07:38 
Offline
Rotatus Maximus
Rotatus Maximus
User avatar

Joined: 26 Jan 2007, 21:37
Posts: 1148
Location: The Land Down Under
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 4 times
I was surprised by how much underspin I could create with Nittaku Pimplemini 1.0 (Which is apparently similar to the MillTall2)

My impression was, that it was the middle ground between how difficult short pips are to chop well with, and not being able to generate (as opposed to pass-though) much underspin with long pips. For me what was special, was that I seemed to be able to generate a lot of spin relative to how sensitive it was to incoming spin. (The ratio seemed unusally nice.)

_________________
Custom Re-Impact OFF
Hexer HD 1.9
Hexer Pips 1.9

Member of Anastasia's Fan Club


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2010, 08:23 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 28 Sep 2009, 10:55
Posts: 74
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
As i said, im giving this rubber another go. I glue this rubber to vioncello with water based glue, and oh i use the 1.4-1.7mm thickness.
I put roughly 20hours with this rubber, played with player rated 1300-2400, and also couple hours of coaching with this rubber.

My impression:
It's truly a pip rubber that can do everything, it can block, attack, spin, chop good enough, but didnt really excel in one deparment. Coming from short pips set-up, chopping with militall was a breeze. It can handle the spinniest topspin ball with a breeze, but not as easy as long pips. You have to options on how to chop the balls. First, you can use the short pips chopping strokes ( open angle, and close during impact ) so you're not that dependent on your opponent spin, or you can use the long pip strokes to use your opponent spin ( reversal, but you only can do it on very spinny loop, otherwise the reversal is weak).

this rubber doesnt provide enough spin on its own, but still more than grippy than most of long pips, but surprisingly provide just enough reversal from a heavy topspin ball. lots of 2000+ player are having difficulties to read the spin because you can easily vary the spin and create floaters, and it doesnt play like long pips nor short pips. And its also good for punching and blocking. It doesnt create a very disturbing ball upon block, but good enough to make the opponent pops the ball. Its very hard to create a decent underspin chop on your own, especially if you play with 1500+ player who doesnt spin a lot, you will have a tougher time, or with a hitter. With short pips you can force them to loop every chop, but not with this medium pips

i must say the sponge are very bouncy, softer and more lively than spectol 21 sponge. The trajectory are closer to long pips than short pips. This rubber is very bad at pushing near the table. no mater what you do, it produce nothing ball, and also very poor for service, but perform quite nice on service return.

i just got the nittaku pimplemini today. From the topsheet, pimplemini has wider spacing, and its grippier than millitall. Also the pips are tad softer than millitall. i'll see how pimplemini plays.

_________________
Blade: Vioncello
FH: DHS skyline tg2 2.15mm
BH: Spectol 1.7-1.9mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 14 Nov 2010, 19:59 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31589
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1512 times
Been thanked: 979 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
It's been a while since we looked at this rubber. I'm wondering if anyone ended up using it, as the reviews all sounded quite good. Any other medium pip players try this rubber?

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis Equipment
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 15 Nov 2010, 00:15 
Offline
Sitting on Defence
Sitting on Defence
User avatar

Joined: 09 Feb 2007, 04:42
Posts: 1390
Location: USA
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 31 times
Blade: Victas K.M.
FH: VS>401 2.0mm
BH: Dtecs 0.5mm
I still come back and use it from time to time on my spare bat to keep my chopping honest :) Coming from long pips it's definitely more difficult to chop with, but not nearly as hard as short pips are. In the end, I wasn't taking advantage of all of it's properties enough for me to warrant it's use. You have to be very creative to use it effectively--constantly changing between chopping, blocking, and counterhitting to keep them off balance and guessing. You'd be hard pressed to find a rubber that does all three of those things as well as millitall, but if you single out just one or two of these properties to specialize in, than long pips seem to work better and have more "teeth."

_________________
Grab a free copy of the only training and nutrition guide written specifically for the table tennis athlete: The Table Tennis Player's Guide to Health and Fitness.
Feel free to PM me with any health, training, or nutrition questions :)

Kit: Victas Koji Matsushita | Victas VS > 401 2.0mm | Dtecs O.5mm


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next




All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2012 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




Don't forget to 'LIKE' our forum on Facebook if you enjoy the content: