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Author:  ChasFox [ 15 Apr 2018, 23:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

Hello Claus

What blade are you using? I have found Keiler to be very blade sensitive.

The problem with Keiler like many SP or MP with fast blades is that it can be difficult to play passive e.g chops, flicks or short pushes against slow low spin balls.

Author:  ClausTrophobie [ 16 Apr 2018, 05:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

Hello ChasFox,

currently I play Arbalest Thor 6.0 (was Galaxy/Yinhe Speer). Its Balsa/Carbo and all+/off-.
I will test TSP Reflex Award off.
How do you solve this problem?

Greetings Claus

Author:  ChasFox [ 16 Apr 2018, 22:31 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

it really depends on how bouncy the blade is at slow to medium speeds rather than off, off- etc. rating.

You may well find the TSP actually gives more control than the Thor with Keiler due to not having balsa and being more linear.

As regards sponge thickness 1.2mm on a fast blade will definitely give you less ability to hit top spin as it will bottom out on the wood quicker and will have a much harder feel unless the blade has soft outer plies or you are used to playing OX. I can use 1.2mm as I use slow blades with a bit of flex and dwell.

Author:  ClausTrophobie [ 17 Apr 2018, 01:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

Hello ChasFox,

thank you very much for your advice.
Hm, hard outer pliers give more disrupting effect, I think. So thats a difficult question what is more important for my game.
I will go for testing the TSP Wood after our league games have ended, wich is tommrow.

Greetings Claus

Author:  Soba [ 30 May 2018, 22:19 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

Hi guys,

I have now used BH 1,5 keiler in my re-impact blade KKS5. its really good. Blade is made from balsa FH offensive and BH allround. What do you guys think the differences between 1,5 and 1,8 keiler?

Regards

Soba

Author:  ClausTrophobie [ 30 May 2018, 22:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

Soba wrote:

.... What do you guys think the differences between 1,5 and 1,8 keiler?



I posted that at 16 Jan 2017 in this topic.

Greetings Claus

Author:  Soba [ 30 May 2018, 23:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

ClausTrophobie wrote:
Soba wrote:

.... What do you guys think the differences between 1,5 and 1,8 keiler?



I posted that at 16 Jan 2017 in this topic.

Greetings Claus


Ok. Thanks. Anyone else?

Author:  ClausTrophobie [ 01 Jun 2018, 19:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

ChasFox wrote:
it really depends on how bouncy the blade is at slow to medium speeds rather than off, off- etc. rating.

You may well find the TSP actually gives more control than the Thor with Keiler due to not having balsa and being more linear.

As regards sponge thickness 1.2mm on a fast blade will definitely give you less ability to hit top spin as it will bottom out on the wood quicker and will have a much harder feel unless the blade has soft outer plies or you are used to playing OX. I can use 1.2mm as I use slow blades with a bit of flex and dwell.


Hi ChasFox,

you are quite right with that!

I´m overwhelmed how good Keiler is on TSP Reflex Award off.
Equally in speed but much more control then my previous Balsa/Carbo combination.
I thougth Balsa/carbo is the best combo for short or medium pips, but now I know why some woodden blades are famous pips blades (Clipper, Avalox P700, PF 032).
I dont think i will change my blade for a long time.

1,5 mm sponge thickness for me is the best combo between offensive possibilities, speed and control.

Greetings Claus

Author:  1dennistt [ 05 Jun 2018, 03:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Spinlord Keiler

Soba wrote:
ClausTrophobie wrote:
Soba wrote:

.... What do you guys think the differences between 1,5 and 1,8 keiler?



I posted that at 16 Jan 2017 in this topic.

Greetings Claus


Ok. Thanks. Anyone else?


My newer sheets 1.8 mm are slightly thicker than my earlier 1.8 mm sheets which were close to my 1.5 mm sheets. I've played with them so long, I don't really notice much control differences between the 1.5 vs 1.8 mm sheets. The 1.5 mm sheets feel more direct, and don't seem to be able to produce as much spin, (they are about 1 year older, so that may be a factor.) I may order a new 1.5 sheet to try again.

Keiler is blade dependent apparently, but also depends on your technique, requiring active strokes to succeed. I guess I need to try it on some of the other blades I have lying around, see how it goes with all wood or fast carbon, just to have a point of reference.

FYI: My Xiom blade has Koto outer plys with Zephylium (Zylon?) plys, but no carbon.

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