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PostPosted: 24 Nov 2017, 14:46 
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millitall II was not working so bad for you. It look fluid. Your opponent was very frantic. As soon as you start to slow the game a bit with push, block and chop he started missing his ball. To anxious that guy !
We can see that the millitall had some of his own underspin at some point. IMO I found that you didn't attack to much with it. I think you prefere to twiddle the inverted side instead. The flat hit can be deadly for those opponent to trow them off pace.


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maddrag wrote:
millitall II was not working so bad for you. It look fluid. Your opponent was very frantic. As soon as you start to slow the game a bit with push, block and chop he started missing his ball. To anxious that guy !
We can see that the millitall had some of his own underspin at some point. IMO I found that you didn't attack to much with it. I think you prefere to twiddle the inverted side instead. The flat hit can be deadly for those opponent to trow them off pace.


Yes, I never got comfy attacking with it. A stiffer blade, more offensive would have been better for that.

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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2017, 05:03 
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It is funny how everyone play differently. I was able to play strong counter with it ( against top spin)right at the bounce on a low position. The counter against Backspin was even easier. It just it was to slow. Maybe I can try a ticker sponge. So far I prefer my Agressor as it has a lot to offer IMO.

P.S defender-attack, I found a good femelle junior who start to play very well Laurenti Jamila. She's having an anti on the BH with inverted on FH. She's also twiddling. She's using it quite efficiently with short and long shot. Defense and some attacks with it. She's playing in the junior world championship on ITTV and you can find plenty of video on her. I Try to find her equipment but can't find it !


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PostPosted: 03 Dec 2017, 14:51 
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Hi..how about comparison agressor and KO? I think KO most disruptive because the pips is soft.


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PostPosted: 06 Dec 2017, 00:11 
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is anyone can help azuan as I don't know KO.

I ha d a 2 hours training with Shockwave yesterday morning. I wanted to know if paying with a MP that tend more toward an SP will be benefit fo me.

First I play with the agressor few minutes to have a fresh memory of how I play it and the reaction of the opponent toward it. I play with a very good player 2200 rating. A lot of top spin, can flat hit, loop and can defend too.

Best shot:
1- My bumps shot are very deadfull. toward his forehand,(from my right to left) very low,fast and skid on the table. For service return or attack against a float or backspin.
2- My service return is never affected by the opponent spin. It give a feeling of starting with confidence. Use bump, swap, pushes and chop block. I played last week against a chopper who use an Sp rubber that almost reacting like an anti and it was a breeze to return his chops. Just pock the ball slowly or faster to return the ball with dead ball very good topspin
3- Chop are deadly spinny. Can use it to attack on high ball.

Than I switch to shockwave.

Best shot:
1- The attack are like inverted. First I sent my attack outside and then closed the racket angle and start to hit correctly. Place right to left and can more the opponent to attack with my FH inverted rubber. I didn't have that feeling of dictating the exchange since I played with inverted rubber on my BH. As I gain weight since last year it was a bit of demanding physically. As I have to move more rapidly and precisely with this shot. My injured anckle didn't help eiher. I notice that hitting the ball from my left side, help hitting strongly as my body position with the right foot in front make a stronger contact and a bit flatter too. If I hit the ball more in front of me the ball just fly over the table.
2- strong pushes with my own backspin. Long,fast and difficult to bring bak without sending a high ball that I can attack. Too often the ball out as I didn't have the good angle.

P.S My bump are now to high with light topspin and not very dangerous. No chopblock that are dangerous. often go out of the table.

One difficult thing for me is to judge the speed and spin of the ooponent as the rubber is influence a bit by it. Too strong rections send the ball ourside of the table and too smooth I got an attack from the opponent. Too strong shop and I send the ball in the net.

On the ooposite the agressor is acting positively to a strong chop or or strong bump as the ball goes lower. The ball still reverse and stay to a low position on smoother shot. The difference between a strong and a smooth shot is not that big as the agressor ruber is not affected by the opponent spin. to summaryse I would say that the agressor can be play passively and actively without given high chance to be easily attack by the opponent. With the shockwave you have to be agressive or you will be killed.


Then I played the monday night chalenge at the club. I decide to play shockwave. The first game was ok but not more.miss to much shot. I can play my bh atack an dit was difficult to the oppponent, Won 3-2.
The next one is a looper. He served very shot with no spin. I start to restrein myself and play passively, Big mistake. He pass through me too easily with his loop. Never been able to unfroze myslef I was very angr at myself as I was not playing the ball correctly. Lost 3-2

Finaly I played the best player of the club. 500 pts over me. He's a big looper, good serves and vary all his shot. As he saw me playing badly to the other player I decided to play with the agressor. It tok me a game to recover my shot. Then my ball placement, bump and return serves were finding the table. He still won 3-0 but the last 2 games I served for the match and it was very close.

So I decide I will stay with the Agressor and practice my counter and block as I saw in many video.


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PostPosted: 05 Jan 2018, 16:07 
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Due to ankle injury I was not able to play. Now I'm back and went for a 3 hrs training with the agressor.

After reading a lot about this Mp and seen video I'm now convinced that it is a rubber for me.

It has the best of all: defense with a lot of reversal and all kind of shot and attack with counter and bumps with a low trajectory and reversal.

A very good aspect of it that I start to devellop is to change the speed of the ball at will. It is cover plenty in different sites. The long pips make you able to slow down the ball when played passively or more tangently. As the pips has big pips (2.1 diameter). It make you able to reduce the speed and spin of the ball. So you can play the opponent by making hesitating of what is the next shot that will come to him. Short and slow or long and fast ? A small angle change it all. More angle = slower. More perpendicular = direct impact = faster.

I really have a very good time to see the opponent going far from the table because I attacked him
and see him waiting for the next shot that never come because my attack with a bat with an angle just not go long as he thought. The same shot but different angle. Very deceptfull.


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PostPosted: 22 Feb 2018, 02:21 
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hello I'm back in my topic.

I did wrote a lot about the agressor 1.3 mm and 1.5 mm that I just bought, in an other topics " Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack" from page 62 to 64. So go read about it and then come back.

THe style I want is to force underspin shot from the opponant so I can attack it with my forehand loop or my BH Mp agressor. You create that by varying the lenght and the speed of my shot to unstabilise the opponant so he can just push or chop back.

Also I'm pretty good at bloking near the table as nearest to the net and place the ball. The further from the table the topspin is coming from, the better I can block. Whatever speed or spin. DHS Skyline is pretty good at this.

A good exemple to watch is Xiyao Pamela song ( 2280) who play Lp on BH and MP on FH. You can see her and read about her in OOAK and on Youtube.

I invited you to comment on this or question me I will be happy to answer . ;)


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PostPosted: 23 Feb 2018, 12:24 
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I played 3 hours with the 1.5 mm agressor and the 1,3 mm today. played with 2 good players. An attacker and a chopper.

This is a small comparaison:

Chop: the 1,3mm has great US, slower speed but tons of US. The 1,5 mm has greater speed but less US. The attacker didn't have any problems to push back or attack the 1,5mm ball if not placed away from the opponant, . The speed and lack of US was easier to control for the opponant. I need to chop more horizontaly and the ball was more floating. I sent the ball off the table too often.

Push: Not much reversal on the 1.5mm. You can create a bit of your own pips. The ball float more. The 1,3 has great reversal with a sinking ball that trouble the player. Handling floating ball is a bit easier with the 1,5 mm has you create more of your spin. But other shots can be use to solve that 1,3 mm problem with float.

Block chop: 1,3 can turn good blockchop. Not very heavy but low and floating that is very difficult to handle. The 1,5mm is Very difficult to execute.

Hit: the 1,3 mm hit is excellent against float or underspin. Hit against topspin is also possible. A more passive counter or flat hit is favorable. The speed is still good as it use the speed of the opponant.A variable kind of hit can be done depending of the opponant shot ( speed, height, spin) Very fast sinking, flat hit, hit with closed blade, flip, roll over, bump. Often the ball is not returned from the opponant has the ball is sinking and often unsuspected reversal. The 1,5 mm has less variable shot. More speedy, often with closer blade angle. unless at a high speed counter , it doesn't have the sinking effect. You tend to always want to attack the ball. The opponant is more in a known context of play with inverted thus more easy to play for him. The flat hit is more difficult to do as you don't have the same direct control feeling. It's more a matter of hit or miss.

Type of play: 1,3 mm : play the variable. Good defense, good offense weird shot, good control. The ball is slow and low with US than bam ! the ball is hit with good velocity and sinking effect. Its the all around rubber with excellent spin for the modern defender.

Type of play: 1,5 mm : PLay more offensively, The SP attacker type. Rapidity and placement is the kind of play.

Finaly I was very surprise of this big difference for only ,2mm.

Much funnier to play with all the variable possible of the 1,3mm. The only thing they have in common is the need to be committed to your shot to succeed.


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