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PostPosted: 18 Dec 2017, 03:13 
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nathanso wrote:
I've tried many MPs and found Keiler amongst the hardest to use due to its lack of lift and the great difference in speed between passive and active strokes. Try something easier like 563 or Aggressor, or even an SP. And don't be seduced by the occasional totally unreturnable ball that most MPs can produce.. this is a game that's won with consistency, not flash.


I have noticed that too, Its impossible to play passive strokes. How is that 563working in blocks,attacking, topspin vs topspin, topspin from backspin. How is the spin in 563 in serving comparing keiler? Does it has that disruptive quality like Keiler?

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Considering what 563 costs... just order a sheet and try it.. :lol:

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Any experince how long does it take to learn playing med pips after inverted in my backhand? If I practise 3-4 times?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: 3-4 times... :lol:

Let me tell you about what happened to me. About 2 (?) years ago I started playing again and started posting on this forum. And started catching up on who the current pro players were. And came across Fukuhara Ai. Who uses medium pips. Someone on the forum mentioned that she used some Japanese brand, but it was "similar" to 563. Which was CHEAP, and I was buying lots of sheets of AliExpress anyway. Well, thought I, maybe I can learn to play like that. And at lower levels of play I could even bamboozle people by flipping the bat around when serving.

Well, it lasted all of four days. It takes quite a bit to unlearn your backhand strokes, to open up the racket face. So I was putting lots of shots in the net. And then pushing was another thing altogether - suddenly all my pushes were popping up. OK, fine, I thought... maybe if I stick with this for a couple weeks I'd learn. But what REALLY made me switch back to inverted was what it did to my FOREHAND. Attacking with pips (short, long or medium) ideally requires hitting the ball early, at the top of the stroke. Which meant standing close to the table. Couldn't stand back a step any more, all of my forehand shots were suddenly getting rushed. Thinking about it, I decided that if I were going to go through with this, it wouldn't take two weeks. Or two months. It would take maybe four. And I'd have to do it full time and practice a lot more than I was. In the end I decided to switch back.

Still have that sheet of 563 somewhere....

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I think he meant 3-4 times a week...

Your experienced was very similar to mine, that's why it took so long for me to learn to use it unguided. But I don't agree with the need to play faster/earlier/closer to the table. Well, I probably using/doing it wrong anyway. I make the rubber work for me, I play a more laid back games.

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PostPosted: 18 Dec 2017, 15:59 
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rokphish2 wrote:
iskandar taib wrote:
Soba wrote:
Hi guys,

Any experince how long does it take to learn playing med pips after inverted in my backhand? If I practise 3-4 times?

S


:lol: :lol: :lol: 3-4 times... :lol:

Let me tell you about what happened to me. About 2 (?) years ago I started playing again and started posting on this forum. And started catching up on who the current pro players were. And came across Fukuhara Ai. Who uses medium pips. Someone on the forum mentioned that she used some Japanese brand, but it was "similar" to 563. Which was CHEAP, and I was buying lots of sheets of AliExpress anyway. Well, thought I, maybe I can learn to play like that. And at lower levels of play I could even bamboozle people by flipping the bat around when serving.

Well, it lasted all of four days. It takes quite a bit to unlearn your backhand strokes, to open up the racket face. So I was putting lots of shots in the net. And then pushing was another thing altogether - suddenly all my pushes were popping up. OK, fine, I thought... maybe if I stick with this for a couple weeks I'd learn. But what REALLY made me switch back to inverted was what it did to my FOREHAND. Attacking with pips (short, long or medium) ideally requires hitting the ball early, at the top of the stroke. Which meant standing close to the table. Couldn't stand back a step any more, all of my forehand shots were suddenly getting rushed. Thinking about it, I decided that if I were going to go through with this, it wouldn't take two weeks. Or two months. It would take maybe four. And I'd have to do it full time and practice a lot more than I was. In the end I decided to switch back.

Still have that sheet of 563 somewhere....

Iskandar


I think he meant 3-4 times a week...

Your experienced was very similar to mine, that's why it took so long for me to learn to use it unguided. But I don't agree with the need to play faster/earlier/closer to the table. Well, I probably using/doing it wrong anyway. I make the rubber work for me, I play a more laid back games.


Yes I meant 3-4 times in a week. Some say it takes about 6 months. Now I ordered this Friendship RITC 563 for me. Lets see the difference to Keiler.

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ChasFox wrote:
I get what you are saying about short pips on the b/h as they can be quite easy for opponents to return even fast hits.

A fast hit or block with Keiler however seems much harder to return due to more skid effect.

Where I like spinny not too fast shirt pips is for playing against backspin pushers. They are used to opponents returning the same i.e pushing battles. If however you lift their pushes to give a topspin/sidespin return with varying speeds angles and bounce height they get out of their comfort zone. Keiler is also very easy to lift backspin pushes with if deep, although perhaps a bit fast for good control.

My goal is too find a slightly slower Keiler to allow more all-round passive as well as active play. Got a sheet of degu 2 to try and Gipfelsturm is another option but again may be too fast.


Have you played with 563? How is it different than keiler? I ordered now 563 with 1,5 mm sponge.

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nathanso wrote:
I've tried many MPs and found Keiler amongst the hardest to use due to its lack of lift and the great difference in speed between passive and active strokes. Try something easier like 563 or Aggressor, or even an SP. And don't be seduced by the occasional totally unreturnable ball that most MPs can produce.. this is a game that's won with consistency, not flash.


I have to thank you Nathanso. It was very good advice that try 563. Its great to play with that, much more easier than Keiler. im sure Keiler is good rubber and Ill put it away for a while. Now I practise with 563.

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