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Author:  maddrag [ 09 Jun 2018, 01:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

If you play with 2 differents thickness of rubber rate them so.we can see how the rubber is doing with different thickness.

Author:  ChasFox [ 09 Jun 2018, 03:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

Soba wrote:


Hi,

Today I played first time with 1,8mm Keiler and I find it easier to play with better players than with 1,5mm. Games were more like speed and topspin. Then I played with weaker players who pushed and make no spin balls to my backhand and I noticed it was difficult to play. Short game was very difficult with 1,8mm. Still I start practise with this 1,8mm. Any tips for no spin serves and strokes to my backhand?

Soba


That sums up Keiler 1.8mm well great against good players giving you speed and spin but tricky in passive over the table play and when on the back foot. That is why I currently am using 1.2mm on a slowish blade but may try 1.5mm again to get more spin.

Author:  maddrag [ 09 Jun 2018, 12:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

for soba

The 1.8mm is working better against higher rank opponants. More spin mean more that goes into your pips. At the same time the sponge is playing a bigger part of a shot. It plays more as an inverted rubber so you can counter better. You can create more of your spin.it has less reversal.

On the opposite, the float ball give you hard time. The 1.8mm is chopping more and too often send it into the net against a float ball. You will also send your attack hit ouside. Brushing the ball too much. You need more precision and stay with shot that get the ball into the pips. If you push with too open blade the ball will never goes into the pips and the ball just bounced over the tips of the pips if you not agressive enough .

The shot to do is a more direct contact with the pips:

- Against light push or float just hit more downward and more direct forward. You should feel the ball going into your pips and get more control.

- To do a conuter hit, just hit it straightforeward (no brushing)a nd get the ball goes into the pips. You can punch it. A good way to hit float ball. ( See jian li )

those shot need to be done with a certain autority or the light gesture just never get the ball into the pips and you will end up loosing control of your shot and confidence. Practice a lot those shot as it is often more difficult than to play big looper.

Also against lower rank players play more safe on the placement, a bit less agressive, less speed but with good contact as they are not having the skill to kill you with an enormous loop. Try to play longer, do long serve top spin to creating more speed to conter or chop. Don't go into short ball exchange with float balls.

Hope it help you and tell me how it went.

DON'T FORGET TO RATE THE MPs as this forum is for that.

Author:  Soba [ 09 Jun 2018, 14:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

Hi,

Spinlord Keiler Blade KKS5 (BH ALL balsa). This is 1,5mm

1-Speed 8
2-Control 7
3-short game 6
4-long game 8
5-own underspin 6
6-own topspin 5
7-reverse3
8-disruption 7
9-block 8
10-attack 8
11-defense 7
10-flat hit 8
11-float 7
12-knuckle ball 5
13-push 6
14-classic chop 6
15-throw angle medium

Author:  maddrag [ 09 Jun 2018, 21:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

thank you soba for your rating. Any other MPs you played in the past that you can rate. It would be great.

I invite everyone who played or play with MP to rate their ruber also.

Author:  maddrag [ 09 Jun 2018, 21:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

hi Soba,

Is it posible that Your rating for short game 6 and long game 8 is reversed. 1dennistt has similar result than you but he got short game 8 and long game 6. As this Mp seems to be for attack it seems you reversed your rating . Tell me your answer.

Author:  Soba [ 10 Jun 2018, 23:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

maddrag wrote:
hi Soba,

Is it posible that Your rating for short game 6 and long game 8 is reversed. 1dennistt has similar result than you but he got short game 8 and long game 6. As this Mp seems to be for attack it seems you reversed your rating . Tell me your answer.


Hi Maddrag,

Im not so sure what you mean by short and long game? This Keiler is quite tricky to play over the table short push etc. I understood that long game is little bit far than over the table and short game is over the table? Then thos 6 to short game and 8 to long is my opinnion.

Soba

Author:  Soba [ 10 Jun 2018, 23:31 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

Hi,

Milky way Pluto 1,5 mm and blade DR Neub. Matador (OFF)

1-Speed 7
2-Control 7
3-short game 7
4-long game 7
5-own underspin 6
6-own topspin 4
7-reverse 5
8-disruption 7
9-block 8
10-attack 6
11-defense 8
10-flat hit 7
11-float 7
12-knuckle ball 5
13-push 8
14-classic chop 7
15-throw angle medium

Author:  maddrag [ 11 Jun 2018, 23:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

thank you soba.

Any other Mps to rate everyone? The board start to be interrested. ( see at the first page)

Author:  ChasFox [ 12 Jun 2018, 03:18 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

Will try to do a rating in Gipfelsturm 1.5mm after a couple of sessions I put it on a work colleagues bat as I found it a bit uninspiring. Probably a bit like KO.good for blocking off the bounce but not much else!

Author:  maddrag [ 12 Jun 2018, 03:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

That the result is good or not doesn't matter. The point is that we know what to expect from that rubber.

Thank you for your help. Invite other to do the same. It will be good for everybody. Did you look at the attachment ? (First page, first communication))

Author:  1dennistt [ 13 Jun 2018, 03:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

Soba wrote:
maddrag wrote:
hi Soba,

Is it posible that Your rating for short game 6 and long game 8 is reversed. 1dennistt has similar result than you but he got short game 8 and long game 6. As this Mp seems to be for attack it seems you reversed your rating . Tell me your answer.


Hi Maddrag,

Im not so sure what you mean by short and long game? This Keiler is quite tricky to play over the table short push etc. I understood that long game is little bit far than over the table and short game is over the table? Then thos 6 to short game and 8 to long is my opinnion.

Soba


I agree, short push is really not the strong point of Keiler, I tend to play aggressive when over the table and try to open the point, so I will use a flip, a banana flip or a roll more often than a short push. So for me the short push really is not as much of an issue. I'm currently experimenting with different options to gain more control over this shot. On the other side, I try not to give up the table, so I don't spend as much time back from the table. I am learning to drive through the ball more when 1 or 2 steps back from the table, instead of resorting to flipping the racket to attack or chopping, so I might have to update my answers at some point.

Anyway that probably explains how we came to different conclusions in our ratings.

Author:  maddrag [ 14 Jun 2018, 00:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: new Medium pips list carateristics-Help us to create a l

anyone has seen the attachment of the first communication of this forum ? It give a summary of all rating received so far for MP. Do you like it ? Give your comments please.

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