OOAK Table Tennis Forum

A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
Live Table Tennis Videos Table Tennis News Live OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 30 Jul 2014, 18:33


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: 20 Jun 2011, 01:30 
Offline
The aPPrentice
The aPPrentice
User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2010, 13:23
Posts: 1637
Location: Portland OR
curiosity gets to the cat...

browsing the Butterfly E-shop (japanese) i found these blades.

they have the usual spelling of defence, not defense as per butterfly. whats intriguing though, is that the defence X looks like it uses willow wood for its outer plies but different wood for the inner plies, which is fairly uncommon today. (matsushita pro special had this composition, but i think all matsushita models are now discontinued by butterfly)

ill try to upload some pictures...
Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

so...any EJ spikes?

anyone actually know anything on these blades?

_________________
In the process of growing up


Top
 Profile  
 


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!

PostPosted: 20 Jun 2011, 16:47 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2009, 06:17
Posts: 599
Location: Yorkshire
unusual to see a willow blade so thin(5.2) i think the core may be some other wood to stabalize the blade.i took the thickness of my def alpha down to something similar to this and the flex became too much :'(

_________________
Donic Defplay senso,Tenergy 05 fx 1.9,Bomb Talent ox


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 20 Jun 2011, 22:53 
Offline
Ping Pong Diplomat
User avatar

Joined: 18 Feb 2010, 21:44
Posts: 780
Location: Canada
neither are willow...

i believe the defence pro to be exactly the same as a matsushita pro...same head size and shape and looks to be the same top ply

_________________
Blade - Joo Se Hyuk
Backhand - TSP Super Spinpips - 1.5mm
Forehand - H3N Prov. 38


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2011, 08:37 
Offline
The aPPrentice
The aPPrentice
User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2010, 13:23
Posts: 1637
Location: Portland OR
leatherback wrote:
neither are willow...

i believe the defence pro to be exactly the same as a matsushita pro...same head size and shape and looks to be the same top ply

whoa, do you have one?

as for the willow, i just assumed that the defence X had a willow outer ply because of the willow woods trademark silverish-gray smooth grained look...

im still gonna get a defence II though.

_________________
In the process of growing up


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2011, 12:51 
Offline
Ping Pong Diplomat
User avatar

Joined: 18 Feb 2010, 21:44
Posts: 780
Location: Canada
have a buddy whos got one and he still uses his mat pro...he says when it finally breaks (its on its last leg) the new butterfly one is exactly the same, except slightly less classy looking...

better act fast on that defence II...its discontinued.....

if i were you id stick to the custom frying pan, its unique, its a conversation piece, people are always slightly jealous because they believe that you have a secret weapon that they cannot purchase...

and its a reflection of you, almost an extension of your hand, train with a custom blade and you will always have an advantage when facing someone, even if its mental, they think "oh no....i wonder how his blade is going to play)....you think chens weixing blade isnt custom?

then why has he had the same one for 15 years.....

like a jedi building his own lightsaber, its your own...

ps....do u have any pictures of it?

_________________
Blade - Joo Se Hyuk
Backhand - TSP Super Spinpips - 1.5mm
Forehand - H3N Prov. 38


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2011, 16:46 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2009, 06:17
Posts: 599
Location: Yorkshire
Defence X

Defence X
• Ideal for the steady, mid-distance defender
• Made of Willow for excellent feel(taken from Butterfly website,sorry pic didn`t paste)

_________________
Donic Defplay senso,Tenergy 05 fx 1.9,Bomb Talent ox


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2011, 23:37 
Offline
Ping Pong Diplomat
User avatar

Joined: 18 Feb 2010, 21:44
Posts: 780
Location: Canada
WOW i stand corrected!

i guess you were right ilikepie....the big one is willow...

where did u get your information dazzler?

_________________
Blade - Joo Se Hyuk
Backhand - TSP Super Spinpips - 1.5mm
Forehand - H3N Prov. 38


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2011, 02:33 
Offline
The aPPrentice
The aPPrentice
User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2010, 13:23
Posts: 1637
Location: Portland OR
leatherback wrote:
have a buddy whos got one and he still uses his mat pro...he says when it finally breaks (its on its last leg) the new butterfly one is exactly the same, except slightly less classy looking...

better act fast on that defence II...its discontinued.....

if i were you id stick to the custom frying pan, its unique, its a conversation piece, people are always slightly jealous because they believe that you have a secret weapon that they cannot purchase...

and its a reflection of you, almost an extension of your hand, train with a custom blade and you will always have an advantage when facing someone, even if its mental, they think "oh no....i wonder how his blade is going to play)....you think chens weixing blade isnt custom?

then why has he had the same one for 15 years.....

like a jedi building his own lightsaber, its your own...

ps....do u have any pictures of it?

Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

some sloppy pics...sorry

_________________
In the process of growing up


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2011, 02:39 
Offline
Ping Pong Diplomat
User avatar

Joined: 18 Feb 2010, 21:44
Posts: 780
Location: Canada
that just looks intimidating!

_________________
Blade - Joo Se Hyuk
Backhand - TSP Super Spinpips - 1.5mm
Forehand - H3N Prov. 38


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2011, 00:55 
Offline
The aPPrentice
The aPPrentice
User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2010, 13:23
Posts: 1637
Location: Portland OR
leatherback wrote:
that just looks intimidating!

cool, thanks.

the handle is a bit wide though, and gives me the impression im playing with a handle thats too thin...maybe ill add some grip tape.

_________________
In the process of growing up


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 20 Jul 2011, 12:16 
Offline
More Block Than Bite
User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2011, 12:33
Posts: 514
Location: Georgia, USA
Has anyone tried the Defence x? I saw it here http://www.gotabletennis.com/Butterfly_ ... /36274.htm and was wondering how it plays, or or anything about it. Couldn't find reviews.

_________________
"Success is on the same road as failure; success is just a little farther down the road."

Gambler OS Kevlar | Avalox Pronte Soft 2.0 | SL Dornenglanz OX

Red Tide by Ross Leidy | Avalox Pronte Soft 2.0 | SL Dornenglanz OX


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 20 Jul 2011, 13:55 
Offline
The aPPrentice
The aPPrentice
User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2010, 13:23
Posts: 1637
Location: Portland OR
75 USD. anything over about 25 USD for me is a no-go, if im short on money.

_________________
In the process of growing up


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 20 Jul 2011, 22:23 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 09 Jul 2007, 19:36
Posts: 42
Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght.
Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 21 Jul 2011, 01:08 
Offline
More Block Than Bite
User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2011, 12:33
Posts: 514
Location: Georgia, USA
supachop wrote:
Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght.
Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize.

Have you played with it (defence X)? Never played with willow that I know of, wondering how it does. Is it good for blocking/chopping (slow)? How is the throw? Is it good for a fast looping rubber on FH? Maybe it is too new and not allot of people have tried yet. I'm hoping someone has that can give some info on it. Thanks...

Here is what I have found so far from Manufacturer/Distributor:

Features
Defence X
• Ideal for the steady, mid-distance defender
• Made of Willow for excellent feel
• Larger head than other blades in this category

Speed:5.5
Control:9.5
Play Style:Def
Wood Ply:5W
Weight:87gr
Wood Feel: Soft
Blade HT:168mm
Blade WDTH:159MM
Blade THCK:5.MM
Handle Dimensions LxTmm: 100x21mm


This blade is graded from 1-10 and applies only to Butterfly Family.The grading is based on laboratory measurements and tests performed by world champions.

_________________
"Success is on the same road as failure; success is just a little farther down the road."

Gambler OS Kevlar | Avalox Pronte Soft 2.0 | SL Dornenglanz OX

Red Tide by Ross Leidy | Avalox Pronte Soft 2.0 | SL Dornenglanz OX


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 21 Jul 2011, 14:26 
Offline
The aPPrentice
The aPPrentice
User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2010, 13:23
Posts: 1637
Location: Portland OR
Dawg15 wrote:
supachop wrote:
Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght.
Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize.

Have you played with it (defence X)? Never played with willow that I know of, wondering how it does. Is it good for blocking/chopping (slow)? How is the throw? Is it good for a fast looping rubber on FH? Maybe it is too new and not allot of people have tried yet. I'm hoping someone has that can give some info on it. Thanks...

Here is what I have found so far from Manufacturer/Distributor:

Features
Defence X
• Ideal for the steady, mid-distance defender
• Made of Willow for excellent feel
• Larger head than other blades in this category

Speed:5.5
Control:9.5
Play Style:Def
Wood Ply:5W
Weight:87gr
Wood Feel: Soft
Blade HT:168mm
Blade WDTH:159MM
Blade THCK:5.MM
Handle Dimensions LxTmm: 100x21mm


This blade is graded from 1-10 and applies only to Butterfly Family.The grading is based on laboratory measurements and tests performed by world champions.

looks like a combination of a toxic 3 (shape) defence II (wood) and toni hold WS (speed)

_________________
In the process of growing up


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2012 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




Don't forget to 'LIKE' our forum on Facebook if you enjoy the content: