OOAK Table Tennis Forum :: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X

neither are willow...

i believe the defence pro to be exactly the same as a matsushita pro...same head size and shape and looks to be the same top ply

have a buddy whos got one and he still uses his mat pro...he says when it finally breaks (its on its last leg) the new butterfly one is exactly the same, except slightly less classy looking...

better act fast on that defence II...its discontinued.....

if i were you id stick to the custom frying pan, its unique, its a conversation piece, people are always slightly jealous because they believe that you have a secret weapon that they cannot purchase...

and its a reflection of you, almost an extension of your hand, train with a custom blade and you will always have an advantage when facing someone, even if its mental, they think "oh no....i wonder how his blade is going to play)....you think chens weixing blade isnt custom?

then why has he had the same one for 15 years.....

like a jedi building his own lightsaber, its your own...

ps....do u have any pictures of it?

that just looks intimidating!

Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght.
Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize.

supachop wrote:

Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght.
Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize.

Have you played with it (defence X)? Never played with willow that I know of, wondering how it does. Is it good for blocking/chopping (slow)? How is the throw? Is it good for a fast looping rubber on FH? Maybe it is too new and not allot of people have tried yet. I'm hoping someone has that can give some info on it. Thanks...

Here is what I have found so far from Manufacturer/Distributor:

Features
Defence X
• Ideal for the steady, mid-distance defender
• Made of Willow for excellent feel
• Larger head than other blades in this category

Speed:5.5
Control:9.5
Play Style:Def
Wood Ply:5W
Weight:87gr
Wood Feel: Soft
Blade HT:168mm
Blade WDTH:159MM
Blade THCK:5.MM
Handle Dimensions LxTmm: 100x21mm

This blade is graded from 1-10 and applies only to Butterfly Family.The grading is based on laboratory measurements and tests performed by world champions.

Author:	ilikepie [ 20 Jun 2011, 01:30 ]
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curiosity gets to the cat... browsing the Butterfly E-shop (japanese) i found these blades. they have the usual spelling of defence, not defense as per butterfly. whats intriguing though, is that the defence X looks like it uses willow wood for its outer plies but different wood for the inner plies, which is fairly uncommon today. (matsushita pro special had this composition, but i think all matsushita models are now discontinued by butterfly) ill try to upload some pictures... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us so...any EJ spikes? anyone actually know anything on these blades?

Author:	dazzler [ 20 Jun 2011, 16:47 ]
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unusual to see a willow blade so thin(5.2) i think the core may be some other wood to stabalize the blade.i took the thickness of my def alpha down to something similar to this and the flex became too much

Author:	leatherback [ 20 Jun 2011, 22:53 ]
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neither are willow... i believe the defence pro to be exactly the same as a matsushita pro...same head size and shape and looks to be the same top ply

Author:	ilikepie [ 21 Jun 2011, 08:37 ]
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leatherback wrote: neither are willow... i believe the defence pro to be exactly the same as a matsushita pro...same head size and shape and looks to be the same top ply whoa, do you have one? as for the willow, i just assumed that the defence X had a willow outer ply because of the willow woods trademark silverish-gray smooth grained look... im still gonna get a defence II though.

Author:	leatherback [ 21 Jun 2011, 12:51 ]
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have a buddy whos got one and he still uses his mat pro...he says when it finally breaks (its on its last leg) the new butterfly one is exactly the same, except slightly less classy looking... better act fast on that defence II...its discontinued..... if i were you id stick to the custom frying pan, its unique, its a conversation piece, people are always slightly jealous because they believe that you have a secret weapon that they cannot purchase... and its a reflection of you, almost an extension of your hand, train with a custom blade and you will always have an advantage when facing someone, even if its mental, they think "oh no....i wonder how his blade is going to play)....you think chens weixing blade isnt custom? then why has he had the same one for 15 years..... like a jedi building his own lightsaber, its your own... ps....do u have any pictures of it?

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Author:	dazzler [ 21 Jun 2011, 16:46 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
Defence X Defence X • Ideal for the steady, mid-distance defender • Made of Willow for excellent feel(taken from Butterfly website,sorry pic didn`t paste)

Author:	leatherback [ 21 Jun 2011, 23:37 ]
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WOW i stand corrected! i guess you were right ilikepie....the big one is willow... where did u get your information dazzler?

Author:	ilikepie [ 22 Jun 2011, 02:33 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
leatherback wrote: have a buddy whos got one and he still uses his mat pro...he says when it finally breaks (its on its last leg) the new butterfly one is exactly the same, except slightly less classy looking... better act fast on that defence II...its discontinued..... if i were you id stick to the custom frying pan, its unique, its a conversation piece, people are always slightly jealous because they believe that you have a secret weapon that they cannot purchase... and its a reflection of you, almost an extension of your hand, train with a custom blade and you will always have an advantage when facing someone, even if its mental, they think "oh no....i wonder how his blade is going to play)....you think chens weixing blade isnt custom? then why has he had the same one for 15 years..... like a jedi building his own lightsaber, its your own... ps....do u have any pictures of it? Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us some sloppy pics...sorry

Author:	leatherback [ 22 Jun 2011, 02:39 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
that just looks intimidating!

Author:	ilikepie [ 23 Jun 2011, 00:55 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
leatherback wrote: that just looks intimidating! cool, thanks. the handle is a bit wide though, and gives me the impression im playing with a handle thats too thin...maybe ill add some grip tape.

Author:	Dawg15 [ 20 Jul 2011, 12:16 ]
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Has anyone tried the Defence x? I saw it here http://www.gotabletennis.com/Butterfly_ ... /36274.htm and was wondering how it plays, or or anything about it. Couldn't find reviews.

Author:	ilikepie [ 20 Jul 2011, 13:55 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
75 USD. anything over about 25 USD for me is a no-go, if im short on money.

Author:	supachop [ 20 Jul 2011, 22:23 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght. Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize.

Author:	Dawg15 [ 21 Jul 2011, 01:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
supachop wrote: Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght. Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize. Have you played with it (defence X)? Never played with willow that I know of, wondering how it does. Is it good for blocking/chopping (slow)? How is the throw? Is it good for a fast looping rubber on FH? Maybe it is too new and not allot of people have tried yet. I'm hoping someone has that can give some info on it. Thanks... Here is what I have found so far from Manufacturer/Distributor: Features Defence X • Ideal for the steady, mid-distance defender • Made of Willow for excellent feel • Larger head than other blades in this category Speed:5.5 Control:9.5 Play Style:Def Wood Ply:5W Weight:87gr Wood Feel: Soft Blade HT:168mm Blade WDTH:159MM Blade THCK:5.MM Handle Dimensions LxTmm: 100x21mm This blade is graded from 1-10 and applies only to Butterfly Family.The grading is based on laboratory measurements and tests performed by world champions.

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Author:	ilikepie [ 21 Jul 2011, 14:26 ]
Post subject:	Re: Butterfly Defence (defense?) Pro/X
Dawg15 wrote: supachop wrote: Defence Pro is same as Mat Pro. More normal handle lenght. Defence X Is 5 equal ply willow oversize. Have you played with it (defence X)? Never played with willow that I know of, wondering how it does. Is it good for blocking/chopping (slow)? How is the throw? Is it good for a fast looping rubber on FH? Maybe it is too new and not allot of people have tried yet. I'm hoping someone has that can give some info on it. Thanks... Here is what I have found so far from Manufacturer/Distributor: Features Defence X • Ideal for the steady, mid-distance defender • Made of Willow for excellent feel • Larger head than other blades in this category Speed:5.5 Control:9.5 Play Style:Def Wood Ply:5W Weight:87gr Wood Feel: Soft Blade HT:168mm Blade WDTH:159MM Blade THCK:5.MM Handle Dimensions LxTmm: 100x21mm This blade is graded from 1-10 and applies only to Butterfly Family.The grading is based on laboratory measurements and tests performed by world champions. looks like a combination of a toxic 3 (shape) defence II (wood) and toni hold WS (speed)