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Without opponent, no match.

OK, just saw my translation is redundant... Skal! Keep it up, Keme

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Without opponent, no match.

Thanks for the translations guys!

Interesting how carbon can make material softer... I always thought it would be the other way around.

Thank you Achim!

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You gained a wrong impression. On about 45 pages different users agree in their positive judgement and only about 3 pages are critical in a negative way.

I came from D.Tecs then tried several other LPs not very successful. The Dornenglanz was the first superior substitute for the D.Tecs however with a very limited durability. The Desperado is the perfect match for me: strong backpsin far from the table, potent blocking abilities close to the table, great control, still disruptive, off- options. Of course for each single discipline you might find superior rubbers but there is none LP which offers this potent overall mixture.



In other words true men play red pimples .

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I really don't think so, unless you count private opinions as judgments. In the first 10 pages there are just 4 decent reviews, along with a lot of chatter voicing different views based on few facts if any. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with chatter, as chatter is what forums are for, mainly. Chatter informs about public opinion, which isn't a bad thing to be informed about; it does not, however, inform about the actual properties of rubbers, whereas decent reviews do. Of those 4 decent reviews 1 is negative, the other 3 are positive; of those 3, yours and martinspin's are the only ones to offer several verifiable observations and well-founded conclusions. Still, after few more pages and a lot of different private opinions and reactions to them by different members, Martin qualifies his positive review, pointing out that Desperado actually only works very well close to and over the table, and stating tentatively that Meteor 575 may after all be better allround as it will also work somewhat away from the table. After that, page 15 is the first to contain another decent review, the fifth one, by a different member, stating observations and mixed impressions... This pattern, a lot of excited chatter and few but initially positive reviews which are qualified a bit later on, is repeated in the remaining 30 odd pages, with more negative opinions towards the end, and I think this is typical of threads about good new LPs. People get excited by the prospect of something good, and some of them will test it thoroughly; then, for a number of players the rubber works very well and for some less well, but still good. Even so, a lot of people will talk about it and try it - until something new comes along. If this is of help to a number of players, that is well; if it makes the manufacturer some money, that is well too. I value the doc for what he has done, which is making a decent level of play available for players with limitations. If Desperado will add to that, it should be cheered. But there are other rubbers which brought and bring similar benefits. Personally I would welcome a new rubber which could be bought for the price of a Friendship 837, but I suspect it still hasn't appeared because no new LP would actually be easier to use or be capable of doing more damage.

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Without opponent, no match.

Ok, soothe Desperado is now glued on (with glue sheet). Bounce test indicates thesis quite a lot slower than Dtecs.

Also, easiest LP to attach in ages due to thicker base sheet. Not sure if that is at all relevant but I appreciated it anyway!

Hope I might get a knock and report back some time next week. Maybe 2 weeks time tho.

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No definite choice but testing the following:-
Primary : Donic Bluefire M3 2mm black / Grass D.tecs Red Ox (new no glue sheet) on Tachi
Donic Bluefire M3 2mm black / Grass dtecs special on Perfect 9952SRZ6 GK S-Kk-A(-)6-Kk-RZ 154-12
Well done bat!

By the way that is great bullshit of Martinspin. Ric was quite annoyed about it and gave a clear statement so that I did not have to argue against this. You get really very good backspin far from the table and you can attack at great ease and with enough power for winning the point. Compared to the Desperado the 575 is a piece of crap. Although I have to admit that this was opinion about the 575 already before appearance of the Desperado.

But maybe you should wait for the Blitzschlag announced for end of August. It will probably be sold at a similar price as the Dornenglanz.

Well, there's diamond, and there is graphite, as well as other less familiar allotropes of carbon.

I appreciate your colourful metaphors which, at the very least, have the virtue of making your position absolutely clear.
And Blitzschlag (Lightning-bolt) should be an interesting LP, if it is coming from Mark Koehler.

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Without opponent, no match.

Concerning the 575 it is of course my very personal experience. For other players with different techniques and tactics it may be the perfect match.

Ich mache keinen Hehl daraus, dass ich das Forum noppentest.de überhaupt nicht liebe. Die meisten schreiben dort über Dinge, die Sie selber kaum verstehen. Wie will man sich ein grundlegendes Urteil über das Material bilden, wenn man es gerade mal 2 Stunden oder noch kürzer antestet oder auch gar nicht getestet hat und sich nur vom Hören-Sagen-Schreiben mitziehen läßt. Wie soll man sich überhaupt ein Urteil bilden können, was gut oder was schlecht ist, wenn man selber noch das beste für sich sucht und noch nicht einmal das effektive Spiel für sich selbst gefunden hat.
Ich mache auch keinen Hehl daraus, das ich das forum noppentest.de auch deswegen nicht liebe, weil viele User dort sehr persönlich und sehr beleidigend in Ihrer Wortwahl werden und es auch noch toll finden, öffentlich so mit anderen Menschen umgehen zu dürfen.

Ich stimme daher Kees im vollen Umfang zu. Kees hat nur eine höflichere Form der Beschreibung gewählt als ich, denn ich bin ein gebrandmarktes Kind, was noppentest angeht. Wenn ich dort schreibe, werde ich ständig massiv und unfair von Menschen angegangen, die mich offensichtlich gerne beleidigen möchten.

Früher habe ich das noppentestforum jedermann empfohlen; heute nenne ich dafür lieber das Ooak table tennis forum, weil die Menschen hier sehr herzlich miteinander umgehen. Es ist überhaupt kein Problem, in einer anderen Sprache zu schreiben, denn es findet sich freundlicherweise immer jemand, der es gerne übersetzt, damit jeder es hier verstehen kann.
Ich hoffe daher, dass andere Menschen sich nun öffnen, die aus ähnlichen Gründen nicht mehr schreiben wollen, um den Mut zu finden, Ihre Entscheidung zu überdenken. Was gibt es schöneres als ein gutes internationales Miteinander, wo man ehrlich schreiben darf, was man empfindet und wo man deswegen nicht unfair angegangen wird und wo jeder die Meinung des anderen respektiert. Herzlichen Dank dafür, Achim

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Without opponent, no match.

The world is full of mysteries. For me 1-2 hours are totally sufficient to judge if for example a long pimple rubber is worth while to be adapted for my game or not - or to judge if a blade is too fast. If material is totally not suited for your play then you can tell this after a short time even half an hour is enough. You don't have to wast several days.

Only if you think that blades or rubbers fit nicely then it may turn out after a longer time that this is not true.

False negative results are very rare, false positive results are more often.

Achim may refer primarily to blades, in which case "a valid opinion" would likely indicate having come to understand the blade; that is, you know how to use it and what for, and how it will play with different kinds of rubbers. That really would take a few days, I think. With rubbers it is somewhat easier, but even so I have made the kind of mistakes you would call false negatives. For instance, some years ago I tried a Globe 979 LP in OX and decided it was too tame, only to wonder the next day why it would be such a popular rubber in China, test it again, change the strokes a bit, think about tactics that would suit what it did do, and come to the conclusion that it was (is) a very useful LP after all, but like most LPs has to be used in a certain way to be effective. I don't think anyone would be able to find out all the limitations and possibilities of even a pretty straightforward LP like the 979 in a couple of hours, as generally one's own possibilities (determined by idiosyncrasies and fixated by habits which have been developed when using different equipment) at least in the short term are quite limited and therefore one does need the long term to gain true understanding.
Of course, true understanding is hardly what most players would be after when testing equipment; they would want to know if a rubber or blade would work for them rightaway, without the need to adapt to it, either technically or tactically; and rightly so. This information, however, being highly individual, would be only of limited use to other players. That is the reason, for instance, why it generally makes little sense to try and play with the exact same equipment professional players use; or why some players are wildly enthousiastic about one rubber and recommend it to others who can't for the life of them see sense in using the bloody thing... Ah, diversity...

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All I can say (and add to the above) is that my first outing with my Perfect was really positive, but it does get better and better.

Every time I play with it, I find it easier to play with and like it even more. When I first played with it, the forehand was good, but now it feels even better. It's almost as if the rubber has really settled down onto the blade. Forehands now feel crisp, direct and produce a lot of spin!

The Perfect has made my game a lot more consistent. My forehands are better, my blocking has improved, I have more touch and feel on the ball and my results have improved. In fact I'm so confident with it after a few matches now that I am going to use it as my primary blade going forward

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