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In my search for a lighter carbon blade I have decided on the Yinhe T-11 because

its inexpensive
its fast
its inexpensive
its really light
its inexpensive

I still have some concerns about the balsa feel because I have never used a balsa core blade before but I read that its slow on touch shots and fast on big hits so it should be alright.

Can anyone compare it to a TBS or TB ALC?

Is it really slower on touch shots and faster on loops/drives?

T-11 is carbon and not arylate carbon - does it mean it will have more vibrations? I dont want vibrations.

What about size of the sweet spot - do carbon blades have smaller sweet spots than ALC blades?

I also see conflicting info on weight of this blade. So I hope I get mine pretty light..

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I've had two. I still have one, and keep it as an inexpensive bat to keep at work.
Weight for mine have been 70g and 75g.
The speed is not ridiculous, but it is quick near the table. It is no T-4.
The carbon and carbon "ping" is quite evident, in a way it isn't on the blades you quote. The top ply is pretty thin and hard, which adds to it. Soft rubbers definitely recommended.
Dwell time is pretty short, it is a hitters blade more than a loopers, IMO.

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I works really well with thin-sponged CHinese rubbers actually... I tried Geospin tacky 1.5mm and it was great. But as so_devo suggested, it's much more of a hitter/blocker type blade than a looper blade.

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I believe the T-11 is now discontinued. It is replaced by T-11+ which has a thicker outer ply. I wonder if that would reduce the loud carbon ping noise.

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To my ears, the T-11+ with 2 wooden plies over each carbon layer is still quite loud, I think just as loud as my T-2 and Y-4 (with a single, thin veneer on top). Can't compare it to the older version which I believe was 3W+2C like the T-2 and Y-4.

OK for looping with a softer rubber (I have one with LKT pro rubbers right now, and it works to some degree), better than the T-2 at least. Still the T-11+ the flatter hits are more natural than brush strokes. Also, the difference between response on soft and hard strokes is not so pronounced as on some other balsa blades. Significant effect (comparing to my T-2), but not so much that you need to relearn your playing.
Still in the short game it is difficult to achieve good control. You are supposed to attack when you play with this. Even the Gambler Reflectoid feels like an attacking rubber.

Not a lot of vibration compared to other blades. The "THOK" as you hit can be felt as much as heard, but there's not the quarter second of resonating that you get with some other carbon blades.

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I had 3 T-11s in the past.. How's the dwell time on T-11+ vs the regular T-11?

Thanks

Since you are quoting me as background for your question, I suppose you are asking me. I don't have the "regular", as I tried to say in my response, so I am unable to do any compare. Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

If there is a difference in dwell, I guess it will be more on the plus, but it is just that: a guess. Surely, someone will know...

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I plan to use Tenergy 05 or 05fx and Hurricane 3 neo

Any thoughts on how it plays with these two? If softer is better, I might go with 05 fx instead. But I am looking to play a combination of quick blocks and power loops..

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Keme, thanks for the reply, didn't see the part that you didn't use the older version..

Rahul, if the t-11+ is similar to the original, use softer rubber, because T-11 shoots out, minimal dwell time, so less room for error..

I have a lightly used T-11 FL that I am not using that I could sell if you are looking for an even more inexpensive one.

It is light and fast, but too fast for an old chopper like me.

PM me an offer if interested

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Have used the T-11 for a year and then sold it as it was not for my game. Balsa obviously makes it very light and manoeuvres well. Good on light touches and reacts like a very stiff blade as expected due to the carbon. It serves well due to its lightness and quickness through the air. The ping sound is noticeable. The T4 is stiffer again and provides more power from afar. I never really got used to the T11 for distance play so that's why I sold it. It was by far the lightest thing I have played with though. The T4 is not heavy either though still not for my game. Both these blades react like you're hitting with steel and have a distinct ping to it. Tbs is a totally different kettle of fish. If you're looking for something more like the tbs then go for the yinhe V14 I think. I have one of these and it does hit a bit like it. Much better all round game in my opinion. I have a V1 as well and that is better again.
I think the T11 suits a player that likes a very very light blade. It takes some getting used to and I didn't get used to it well so I passed it on.
This is only my opinion as the T11 is a very popular blade and many use balsa blades whom I don't doubt are better informed and better players than I.
My suggestion is to go for it if you are willing to get used to it. But if you have plans to continue playing exactly the way you do then it might be difficult (it was for me).
Good luck.

what about galaxy ginhe 981, 985 and 988?. it's cheapest than T-11. are those blades o.k.?. anyone try these blades before?. give your comment and thanks.

They are more in the budget range of the Galaxy blades, not of the same quality but still not bad blades. It would be best to start a new topic on this, as this is not related to the T11, and you'll probably get more answers.

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well, this is not a comment about the T-11 but my experience with a balsa blade, the Donic Waldner Dotec, which is not a carbon blade.

I didn't experience that my balsa blade was slow in light shots and fast on hard shots, I experienced the opposite. That's why my blade was excellent for blocking because it blocked every shot of different speeds to the same range! Obviously the thickness and stiffness also helped for the blocking performance.
Since it was springy on light shots it was not that controllable, but you could use full power during loops close to the table and still land the ball on the table.