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Hi everyone,

This is my first post and I'm looking for some direct advice, I've tried searching different threads but it's all a bit conflicting. I'm just looking for some direct advice to help me get started in my search.

I'm looking to buy a new blade or two to try out. I currently use the Joo se hyuk blade and I do like it. It gives me good spin reversal and it gives me good forehand attacking options.

I am however, looking for a blade that is very similar to the Joo se hyuk in all ways, but with a bit more control. I love the spin reversal, the feel and the attack of the joo blade, but I wondered if there is something very similar to it across the board but gives that bit more control when chopping and attacking. I play a similar style to Joo and Gionis by chopping on the BH and attacking on the FH.

From what I have read, would I be right in thinking the Tibhar Stratus Power Defense is very similar to the Joo but with that extra control? Or would there be other defensive blades that fit the bill better?

I was also considering giving a more attacking blade a go in my modern defensive style. I was looking at the Korbel, but it seems it can be difficult to pick up a Japan made one. So are there blades that are similar to the Korbel that would work well in the modern defense style? For example the Tibhar Stratus Powerwood? Or do you think of others?

Thank you for your help and I'm looking forward to talking to you all and meeting some new people

By control do you mean a bit softer or with more flex? The joo is quite hard and stiff....

I'd go with the vistas koji matsushita offensive....still stiff and hard but a bit less so.

Butterfly defence III or IV are stiff and soft.

Going to the regular koji matsushita or a blade like donic defplay or butterfly hadraw shield you will gain a ton of flex and loose a lot of speed.

Darker 7p.2a.df is a nice blend of stiffness and softness too.

The joo is at the hard and stiff end of almost all defensive blades out there. So you have plenty of options.

Never tried tibhar so I can't give an opinion on that.

I switched from the Joo blade to the regular Victas Matsushita about a year ago for the same reason. I did like the stiffness of the Joo blade but I missed the feedback. Especially as I'm not playing that often anymore the Victas blade is great for me as it has a high level of control and a lot of feedback. The consistency of my passive game is huge and I very rarely miss a chop/push/block.
There is also a downside as the attacking game lost a bit of control and 'umpf' (power). but as many of my opponents are aggressive attackers I prefer to emphasize on my defensive.

Unfortunately there is no silver bullet

good luck and welcome to the forum

Gybe

The Darker 7p.2a.df is a good bet... it's pretty much identical in size & shape too, so you can probably get your old rubbers to fit.

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I was looking for a slower, more flexible blade which still had a stiff-enough feeling to use with Hurricane 3. For me that was the Defence Pro which is an awesome blade.

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Hi Ridderz67,

you always ask the same questions again (in your own name, 'for a friend', with another nickname like now) and no matter what answers we give you here, it never seem to be enough... As some have suggested to you already, there is also this 'search' button which will give you tons of information about your quests! You mention that this information is 'conflicting' and that's normal because people have different styles and different preferences. There is no one best answer, otherwise there wouldn't be a forum

I liked your blog with videos, you play well. Maybe it's useful to analyze and discuss what changes you eventually need there instead of always starting new threads? Just a suggestion...

But ok... I probably said this before but for me (maybe not for other people), the advantage of JSH is that chops tend to have good speed and low arc. IMO slower blades have the advantage that you will return more balls when you're a bit out of position and they may be easier in the short game.

In addition to the good things being said above, I'd like to second that VKMO and Defence Pro are close to JSH but a little slower, more or less similar feel. And that VKM and certainly Defplay are really different: softer, flexier (Defplay!) and slower than JSH. The feeling of control is very subjective: I have problems 'controling' Defplay, while I like the feel/speed of JSH.

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I been using Joo for a couple of years now but have a Koji offensive blade sitting around ( got from BH). I put the same rubbers I have on the Joo , the Koji OFF play about the same but have more dwell time on the pips which give me a bit more control, chop stay lower also, but I give up some FH speed which is ok, wondering if anyone is using it here. I see a lot of VKM , Joo and Defplay, any feed back ?

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I was going to ask you about that blade, you think it's faster or slow then the Koji offensive

Don't know. I can chop with Koji offensive but failed to return serves with it so it was an easy choice to drop Koji OFF.

If I have to guess, slower. but has more spin and BITE the ball much better.

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How much different is it to say JSH and VKMO? What's it like in terms of stiffness and hardness? I'm used to the feel of the JSH so I don't know if I should try something that feels completely different.

Hi leatherback. You've given me some great advice so I'd just like to ask you some more things.
My coach has said that he thinks I would get more control on my chops with a slightly different blade. I use the Joo blade.

Can you tell me how the JSH blade compares to the Defence III and Defence IV?

He has indeed! Do you think he's getting through to you yet, or does your coach know better?

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I can understand everything that has been said to me. And I take it fully on board. And I am going to do exactly as I've been told here. However I do feel I need a blade with that little bit of control for my BH. I do agree with my coach on this one. I'm missing quite a few chops going long. We all know that the JSH is fast for a DEF blade. I've been using one of the most controllable LPs so I feel that I could do with a blade that will aid the control in my chops. I love the JSH for my forehand though. So I'm trying to find a blade that will give me that extra BH control for chops which still feels pretty similar to play with as the JSH.