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Ok to finish the saga...

Yet Speedplay was smote and defeat was near
Alas was cursed by the hag Sharara
Too powerful was the hag for Speedplay
And twas driven from the darkside banes
"Oh return again" the pip knights call
To the banes that brought great victories

And thus ends the sage of Speedplay to date

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.. now known as
"Speedplay the Anti-strong"

(see sig. for details)

OK

i have had my first go with the Juic Kiso Hinoki (JKH) paired up with the Andro impuls speed (max) and Roxon 450 (2mm).
you know the feeling how you have a go with something and instantly like it???? well thats the feeling i am getting!
there was so much more dwell time comparing to any of my BTY blade or my trusty TSP hino carbon blade.
due to the dwell, it felt so much more springy and the andro became very hard to control as it seems to fly off the other end without much power to the stroke. i had to close the angle a bit more to get it to land.
Hobbes was right about the gears... there seems to be endless gears in there as touch shots were great but it pops up a little due to me not used to the blade angle yet but it sue landed short. crank up the pace and the ball gets flying and the counter topspin rallies seems ridiculously easy at any distance. the harder you hit the more the blade gives and keeps giving. one thing i found though, i hit the edge of the blade more often the usual when pushing due to the extra thickness. that i can get used to.
anyway, i will be having a few more tries with it to see how i like it but i sure am loving it at the moment.

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LOL, that's great! That thread brought back some great memories as well!

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Well your loaded with antis (one look at the sig. shows that) and if your strong put together you are now anti-strong: strong on antis

Might be worth sticking some of this onto a balsa blade e.g. Cayman and seeing what you think. Better still sheet of OX long pip on there might work. Alternatively.... antis work if you twiddle, then you've got the ability to control the game by slowing it right down and speeding it up with inverted attacks. So you might think about that?

I think part the problem you've had with pips is that outside SB the pips need to be sitting on a pip blade otherwise they tend not to do much. SB would do everything on anything, but thats no longer the case.

Anyway try twiddling, you're basically using blades (and spending a lot of cash on them) that brings out the best in inverted rubber. If you can twiddle well you if you wanted play it as double inverted and switch to the anti to defend. A good anti player twiddles, take Hookshot for example, or Seemiller as a pro-example. ..

Alot of long pip players don't twiddle - the pips provide enough dimensions not to need to and in fact the Koreans seem to deliberately train players not to twiddle (except service). I think the reason is that an anti player needs to be close to the table whereas a long pip player can use exceptional footwork (which I don't have). With exceptional away from the table footwork there is far less reason to twiddle.

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Just read all about Speedplay's ban...

Wow the legend of Speedplay continues unabated, the first to receive a forum ban... Its like Eric the Red (viking who discovered and named Greenland), who got banned from his native country.

Yep the sure stuff of a Nordic saga.

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Eh? Did I miss something? What happened?

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I'm assuming Mathias is talking about Speedplay's ban from Denis' TT Forum which occured a few months ago now. He must have just not picked up on that thread til now, unless there has been another forum ban Speedplay Which I doubt, surely he couldn't be that unlucky LOL.

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Well as an internet phenomenon Speedplay is pretty massive.

The amount of text dedicated to ol' Speedplay is about as much as that other notable Swede JO Waldner.

Speedplays setup BTW is dangerously lightside. I'd advise that he'd buy the Cayman or Firewall+ instead of another Wavestone (who wants 3 Wavestones?). If you start getting easy point Speedplay then you know why.

With the exception of pen-hold players (who I have loads of respect for) tt players in general should either go down the track of a two winged looper or else use pips (ok or anti). Ok you could argue Chinese backhand 'loop' isn't a backhand loop - but it is IMO. My game plan is heavily focused around the 'holes' that double inverted players leave when they don't two wing loop. At some point I'll go through why.

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Frictionless strokes | Attacking pip strokes | Greggy's advice | Bollsbrother | Sebastian Sauer . . . . . .

Sorry what happened to the rest of this thread?

Just to confirm this

>At some point I'll go through why.

Tacky Learner (I forget their exact name) picked this up and asked why? A thread then emerged with me, Hobbes (I think), Kagin about the use of inverted to manipulate spin/ pushes. It is was a pretty robust argument.. but it shouldn't become one of Stalin's "the disappeared", particularly as we were discussing the ethics of bans!

Could we have it back please or else move it to the long pips section?

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Re-Impact Medusa (balsa / 1-ply cherry wood)
Frictionless strokes | Attacking pip strokes | Greggy's advice | Bollsbrother | Sebastian Sauer . . . . . .

Yuzuki?

The discussion got moved to here

(I didn't do it.)

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Aye matey? I didn't move it either...and I was surprised that I was the topic starter! Sorry Speedplay...

Going to have to change that 'Tacky Learner' to an 'SP Acolyte' or a 'Stubby Pips-out Student' or something...

There's the PIPs Bible and the PIPs professors afterall.

Hmm, need that new plastic card to try out some of this new stuff on review!

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thanks

Sorry for resurrecting this ancient thread but I'm not getting any responses I needed in another forum.
I was wondering what the pros and cons of 3-ply vs 1-ply aside from 3 ply being less prone to splitting.

Does anyone prefer 3 (and up) ply to 1 ply? Maybe it's meant for a different playstyle?
Frrom what I've seen so far blade shape seems to be more important for determination of playstyle than number of plies

From my experience, 3-ply is quite close to 5-ply, and nothing like a single-ply hinoki really.

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