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PostPosted: 22 Aug 2009, 02:13 
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This is my first post and topic in this international forum.
Nice to know all of you guys.

All of them are the three kin of willow wood and use 3 ply wood.
I must say that I'm in love with willow wood due to its characteristic to absorb incoming speed+power
which lead to good control and in the meantime can give good counter attack like offensive blade.
Followings are information for you about my blade.
Weight of pure blade.
Defense II = 86g
Yanagi = 84g
Willtria = 82g
Weight difference sometimes can effect the characteristic of the blade as well.
Type of wood.
Though all of them made from willow wood but as to my observation I find there is
a little bit different in term of color and density.
Defense II : Its core has dark brown color and quite dense while the outer layer is thin.
Yanagi : Its core has many small tiny hole and light yellow color while
the outer layer is thin and quite yellowish.
Willtira : Its core has dark brown color (but the color is lighter than Defense II)
and the outer layer is thicker than above two.
For handle , those who have big hand I suggest Defense II will suit you as its quite thick.
Willtria is a little smaller and longer.(I love Willtria's handle for this).
Yanagi is in flat oval shape which make strange feeling when first touch and need
sometime to adjust the feeling.
Rubber : All blades are tested with Tibhar Grass D.Tecs Ox but different invert rubber ie.
Defense II with Tenergy 64 ,
Yanagi with Gamble Shadow Spin Effect
Willtria : Kokutaku 868 (Green cover with light creamy spong color).
I must say that the Grass D.Tecs can satisfy me for its incredible back spin when chop far away from table.
Style of play :
Chop away from the table (around 1-1.5meter away from table) by using LP.
On the table , I will chop block , sweep by using wrist , lift , etc...
In case of forehand , normally I will do fishing or lop but when it's in right
position I will make counter loop sometimes.
My opinion about 3 blade:
Among 3 blades I love Defense II and Willtria much more than Yanagi because of
its good absorption and speed but the difference is
Defense II can absorb most of the incoming speed , spin and power with soft feeling.
While Willtria has more harder feeling so its absorption is not as good as Defense II.
My Willtria is faster and lighter than Defense II so it's more convenient for me
for fast sweep and loop.
Yanagi is the most slowest blade in their kin and the angle for chop block ,
sweep , chop far away from table is quite different and I have to adjust my angle.
When using Yanagi , I can chop from forehand and counter attack which I can't chop
when using Defense II and Willtria.
Placing the position of the ball:
My acquaintances say Defense II and Willtria can place the ball near the end of the table
(almost white line) while Yanagi can place the ball in the middle.
I don't know which is good but I prefer to send ball to the end of table.
Please note that I used to try with Curl P1-R OX , Octopus on Defense II
but can't play with it , I don't know why. I think I can play with only German Rubber.

I hope there might be some useful information for you.


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Excellent review! Great first post!

I've always wondered what the differences between the three common willow blades were. :D

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Very useful tinz! Welcome to the forum, and a great first post indeed!

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I believe a review of Defense II has not been properly done before so this thread is a good start.

I just want to add to say that the blade is rather stiff for a medium-soft blade. The blade itself has 3 plies but the handle has like 5...i don't know how to explain this any better without a picture. In terms of stiffness it's quite similar to the Joo blade, but Joo is harder. Lovely blade for consistent chops and hit on the LP side (TSP P1-R) but I find it difficult trying to find a good FH rubber for it (in the end I picked Venus). Build quality is high as per usual and the balance is just right given that DEF blades can be head-heavy. bvautier has tried the blade so perhaps he could add more since he tried it with a SP/LP setup.

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I tried BB's Defence II the other week and really liked it! so much I went back home and ordered one for myself.
BB told me that he had problems finding a good inverted rubber for this blade, but he was kind enough to let me remove the inverted sheet that was on there so that I could stick my Pluto on it. Well I found it was an excellent hitting SP blade!
It is rather stiff, but the outer layers are soft so it gives the SPs just that little more dwell time to really place the ball where you want it when hitting.
On the backhand BB had a P1R sheet with sponge, and it chopped very well too. I will stick a Meteorite OX rubber on my blade when I get it and hope that the softness of the blade will result in a good blocking as well as chopping setup.
I will have more to write when I get the blade and have a decent hit with it.

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Thank you very much for all of your compliments. I'm really appreciated and will keep my standard.
Like Beer Belly said about handle of Defense II , I have to confirm and agree the same that
the handle of Denfense II is 5ply while the upper part is just 3 ply.
How on earth did Butterfly can think about this style of handle which lead to non-vibration at all. Yanagi and Willtria is normal 3 ply for both upper part and the handle.
Among the 3 kins , Yanagi give a little vibration which some people may don't like it (including me).I will post picture of my blades to you later.


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tinz wrote:
How on earth did Butterfly can think about this style of handle which lead to non-vibration at all. Yanagi and Willtria is normal 3 ply for both upper part and the handle.
Among the 3 kins , Yanagi give a little vibration which some people may don't like it (including me).I will post picture of my blades to you later.


Hello, I haven't tried the Defense II, but for both the Wiltria and Yanagi Alpha, it felt hard to generate good power. I'm not attributing it to the wood, but it may be perhaps the plies bending some near the handle (similar to the Yasaka 3D concept?), which may be the reason why Defense II has a 5-ply stiffer handle area.

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Can somebody teach me how to post the picture?
I have 640x480 size of picture to post.
I can see "Img" button but nothing happens or bring me to browse the picture in my computer.


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tinz wrote:
Can somebody teach me how to post the picture?
I have 640x480 size of picture to post.
I can see "Img" button but nothing happens or bring me to browse the picture in my computer.


Ah, you would have to link a picture from an image site like Photobucket. Upload the picture there, link the picture here using the IMG function.

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Got Defence II. Played a little with it on the robot and really like it. Blocks are very controlled and stay short with the Meteorite. The short game is very controlled with both LP and SP, and I can generate more spin than with the W1030. This can be good and bad, but I will really be able to tell tomorrow at training. I really like the dead balls the Pluto/W1030 combination create. I hope it will do the same with the DII.
There is a noticeable increase in dwell time over my normal blade. It took me a little while to get used to it, but now I really like it. I think this is a good blade and I will be using it as my primary from now on.

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Five plies or three plies? How bout we just call it four?
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Not a good photo of it but there's an additional glue join down the middle.
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I haven't mutilated the handle yet. I bought it (dr jenders told me to) and i like it, but my matsushita powerdefence has just as much control and i'm kind of liking the added speed, so i'm not sure i want to switch. The benefits for me would be the weight loss and and increase in low impact dynamics.

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The weights you reported are really interesting considering the fact that on the Japanese butterfly site they report the standard weight of Defence II at 96 grams, however the others seem to only be marginally off what their respective manufacturers claim them to be.

Any thoughts on that?

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i wonder how the defII differs from def alpha,these are both heavy willow 3ply yet the speed figures for defII are higher,i liked the alpha for chopping the backspin is the heaviest i`ve seen but was never satisfied with it`s looping ability

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