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Hi Everyone,

I received the Goliath Speed 2 earlier today, i have in the passed used the original Goliath Speed, for those of you who have used it I'm sure you will remember its good speed with great control and very low throw, the new one is plastic ball ready and supposed to be even faster it also comes with a very bright orange sponge, photos are on my Facebook page (Dark Arts Table Tennis) including close ups of the sponge and pip structure, i haven't had chance to get the photos i took to my laptop to upload on here hence why there on my Facebook page.

i have 2 bats with different thicknesses, 2.1mm both sides on the High technology plus blade (fast balsa blade) and the 1.5mm on the forehand of the new Matador Texa blade, backhand is the also new Django rubber (review page on this site)

i have only had a brief go with these with some of my students, i will be having a go with them throughout the week and updating on here, one of my students had love at first sight with this rubber and immediately ordered another was quite keen on it and having a further go, so i will get a follow up from them and share there feelings on the rubber.

So far WOW this is amazing! very very fast, huge spin also, whilst retaining the control however the real surprise is when playing against this rubber the ball comes at you at an insane speed, i have never felt this before, even the 1.5mm the ball just rockets off the bat, my students said they feel like they get more spin on the serves with this than there current Tenergy & Bluefire, however it is worth noting that the Tenergy & Blue fire sheets my students where using where not new.

overall so far I'm amazed by the performance of this rubber, defiantly amongst the fastest i have tried, but still retains great control and spin, the price is also very reasonably priced £35/€39

looking forward to testing this rubber again and i will keep you all updated.

Kind regards
Dark Arts TT

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Hey Dark Arts TT, thanks for the review. I did actually play the original Goliath Speed though it was a while ago. I don't remember it as particularly spinny so I was wondering about the new Goliath Speed 2. Could you compare the spin on loops to other popular rubbers like T05 or some ESN sheets. Does it maintain the low throw and how is the sponge hardness?

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Who makes it? (I'd guess ESN.. )

Iskandar

Hi Everyone,

The manufacturer is Dr Neubauer they are based in Germany, however they rubber does state J.T.T.A.A
So I will find out exactly where it is manufactured.

Yes the spin is massively improved on this one, the sponge is very similar to Tenergy in colour, texture & feel, check out my face book page for photos, the overall hardness (topsheet and sponge) feels similar hardness to Tenergy 05, the manufacturer states 44 degrees, I will happily do a test and comparison between the two & a variety of ESN.

Kind regards Dark Arts TT

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Does it say "Made in Japan" or "Made in Germany" on the pack? (It might say neither... )

If it's Japanese it's probably made by Daiki.

Iskandar

Hi Iskandar taib,

it states J.T.T.A.A on the package but no "made in xxxxx" i will try and find out, however regardless of where its manufactured its performance is very impressive and well worth a try

Dark Arts TT

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I would love to hear a comparison to other rubber.

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Any Japanese characters?

(Sounds a lot like Tibhar Evolution - lots of speculation as to where that is made also. Might even be assembled from components from different places.)

Iskandar

Tibhar Evolution is definitely an ESN product made in Germany.

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Not according to some people.. And Tibhar is pretty coy about it.. refuses to comment, or makes vague statements.

Iskandar

Hi Everyone,

I have had a good couple of days playing with the Goliath Speed2 in 1.5mm on the Matador Texa blade, I will be focusing on the Goliath Speed2 2.1mm on the high tec plus blade for the next couple of days and post a review of that shortly.

So what I have found is that the 1.5mm is quite unique, not many big brands will do the hyper fast ones in such a thin sponge, (the Goliath Speed2 is available in 1.5, 1.8 & 2.1mm) why is this thin sponge unique, well it's the absolute perfect backhand, the control is absolutely amazing you can place the ball any where you like and have full control of the game, the spin is good, you have the ability to easily play short balls, however where this shines are the block and counter drive/loop, again with the high control you can place blocks anywhere short or long, counter drives, flats and counter loops explode off the bat, never experienced sich a fast rubber with such high control, it really gives you the confidence to go for the bigger shots, the spin again is great, obviously the thicker ones will produce more but as a backhand it's perfect, I think the 2.1mm will be too fast for the back hand but if you like thick sponge feel there is the slightly slower and softer Domination Speed2 that would work well.

There is still a very low throw angle, however remember I'm using the matador Texa blade which also has a low throw, however with this combination I can keep shots low just over the net and short game again low keeping the opponent out from Attacking, with the high control this is very easy to do.

Overall the 1.5mm is a fantastic backhand rubber, strongly recommend it, I haven't compared it to any simply because I was on the 1.5mm the others I have to compare to (MX-P, Tenergy, Blue fire etc) are all thicker so it wouldn't be accurate comparison, I will compare when I test the 2.1mm Goliath Speed2 over the next couple of days.

Dark Arts TT

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Just checking in to see if you already had a chance to test the 2.1mm Goliath Speed2 and compare it to other popular inverted rubbers.

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Hi Matt Pimple,

i have had further testing of the Goliath speed 2 & i have also passed the bat around the centre to let people compare to there set ups, apologies for not writing sooner, i have been meaning to but it has been a busy couple of weeks.

The Goliath Speed 2.1mm is a brilliant forehand rubber, i have had lots of players complimenting it saying "it has huge spin" the various set-ups are as followed:
Goliath Speed 2 red & black 2.1mm on high technology plus blade,
Goliath Speed 2 Red 2.1mm, K.O. black 1.5mm matador texa blade,
Goliath Speed 2 Red 1.5mm, Django black 1.5mm matador texa blade,
Goliath Speed 2 Red 2.1mm, Domination Speed 2 black 2.1mm phenomenon blade.

The set up on the high technology plus blade was a bit too fast for the majority of people who tested, apart from an away from the table looper who loved it, its a very fast rubber but still controllable, its a medium hard rubber but doesn't feel that way on looping and has some real bite to the ball when looping, some thing to be wary of is it does have a very low throw angle so it will take a couple of sessions to get used to, however due to the low throw, feel & the pure speed its a powerful hitters dream!

ok so some comparisons: (comparisons come from the testers) if you are unsure on any of the blades mentioned (speed wise) please look them up either on here, my website or Dr Neubauers website.

The phenomenon set up was faster in comparison to Tenergy 05 2.1mm (forehand) & Blue fire m2 2.0mm (backhand) on a Bty Innerforce AL, the spin over all was similar no a little more on some shots a little less on other shots but no real noticeable difference, however on serves there was reported quite a bit more spin from the Goliath speed 2.

The Matador Texa with Goliath 2.1mm was noticeably faster than Bty Tenergy 80 on Andro Triber Z blade, there was no feed back on spin comparison all they said was the Goliath produced "Huge Spin" it also produced a lovely popping sound on the loops that will bring back speed glue memories, i think this was also down to the matador texa blade, this set up is truly wonderful and work in harmony together, it was reported by all it produced a vibration of just the right amount for the feedback, not too much not too little, this was definitely the most loved set up, however it isn't the lightest blade is approx 89 grams and Goliath is a very similar weight to Tenergy maybe even slightly more, i will weigh and compare sometime, if you like a lighter feel then the original Matador blade (slightly slower) is a little lighter as it has 2 fewer piles in the construction but still has the same feel, or for a very light set up the Phenomenon comes in good with a blade weight of 75-78 grams.

The matador Texa 1.5mm set up i have reviewed in my previous post,

For speed freaks the High Technology plus set up is a big thumbs up but beware this isn't a skinny blade (thick balsa) it is also oversize too! but still very light, the blade is only 64 grams! but due to its over size it will become head heavy.

Carbon lovers, the Dr does a OFF rated carbon blade, world champion carbon, i have only tested the old Goliath Speed on here this was very fast! i will test out the Goliath Speed 2 on this and get back to you but from initial impressions i recon this with the carbon blade will be a hitters paradise!

Any Questions please ask away,
Dark Arts TT

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Thanks for the reviews DarkArtsTableTennis, that's great feedback!

Thick rubbers on thick balsa blades, like the high technology plus blade, tends not to work that well, generally offering poor control and at some point the dynamic of the rubber works against the dynamics of the blade. I would suggest you try the 1.5mm one on that blade, which will likely work MUCH better.

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Hi Haggisv,

Thanks for your post,

Yes i agree with you, in the passed the rubbers i have recommended for my students who want this blade 1.8mm forehand & 1.5mm backhand, that was with the Domination Speed 2, the reason for this set up was a customer requested it for a test, i had the rubbers coming in anyway so i obliged as after the test i can put the rubbers on any other blade due to the Oversize of the High Technology Plus, and obviously cannot do this the other way round

However i was surprised as it didn't work against the blade as expected but worked with it! it was just ridiculously fast, huge catapult & spring, would be just too much for the majority of players, but the player who requested loves it, its perfect for his style a far from the table looper, the low throw means he can get the big shots to land and the catapult means a less effort game for him, he will be testing again, after that i will be swapping the rubbers, probably one on a world champion carbon & maybe the other on the Hercules, as this will be much preferable to the other bat testers.

I do strongly recommend the 1.5mm for the backhand for anyone with a blocking & active blocking/countering backhand, its also good as not many manufactures produce a 1.5mm in the fast tuned rubbers! i am aware of a few other manufactures that do but not many.

Kind regards
Dark Arts TT

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