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I will soon need a new inverted rubber to drive and chop with. I am currently using butterfly D 1.2mm and it is wonderful but im afraid its days are almost over. Its loosing its tackiness and its very old. I cant find any more of those 1.2mm online and they come very pricy. What do you guys use? What do you suggest? Any tacky slow rubber with thin sponge that creates tons of spin?
Thanks, Mikey.

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Blade: Re-Impact Backspin Control
BH: 802-40 with SST Cross sponge 1.5mm red
FH: Butterfly Tackiness D 1.2mm black
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A few options:
Gambler Reflectoid 1.0 / 1.5mm
Giant Dragon Submarine 1.0 / 1.5mm
Darker Provine 1.2mm
TSP Triple spin chop 1.0mm

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Gambler Reflectoid i looked into and it is not sticky, so thats out of the question. other ones i will look into more. Thank you!

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Blade: Re-Impact Backspin Control
BH: 802-40 with SST Cross sponge 1.5mm red
FH: Butterfly Tackiness D 1.2mm black
For now

Oops I missed the bit about the rubber having to be tacky. Then again I don't regard the Butterfly ones tacky. By Tacky I mean stick, as in you can lift the ball up after you press onto it.
I found the Reflectoid mildly tacky. Submariine is a little tacky. The TSP very mildly tacky. Darker very grippy, and certainly as grippy as the tackiness D.

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I see, maybe i should try Reflectoid out its cheap and easy to get other brands are hard to find in US. And if I dont like it maybe ill give Stiga Chop and Drive a go.

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Blade: Re-Impact Backspin Control
BH: 802-40 with SST Cross sponge 1.5mm red
FH: Butterfly Tackiness D 1.2mm black
For now

I am currently using reflectoid (and liking it more and more as I get used to it). As part of my review I did a couple of short vids to dispell two myths;

Firstly, it is a tacky / sticky rubber



Secondly, it is not an anti, it is actually very spinny ....



I am starting to understand a lot more about the rubber and whilst it isn't 'funky' as such it is possible to produce big variations in spin once you understand how it works. I will update my review in due course.

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Nittaku Acoustic 86g F/H PME MAX 47.5 deg + B/H Rakza7 2.0mm
Butterfly Timo Boll ALC F/H Rakza7 MAX + B/H Rakza7 SOFT 1.8mm
For nostalgia: 1977 Butterfly Kenny Style 99g : currently semi-naked
For fun: Butterfly Oh Sang Eun, F/H PME MAX 47.5deg & CK531A 1.0

HM.. you got me interested, so_devo.I wanna get a new rubber for my Matsushita pro blade, because bty tackiness chop don't work anymore for me [very little spin ] and reflectoid looks like it might do the job. How fast is it compared to chop or lets say tenergy? And how soft is the sponge?

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Setups (click on writings to read reviews):
1) Defence II / TSP P4 (0,5) / M3 (2,0)
2) Defence II / Joola Octopus (0,5) / M3 (2,0)
3) Ross Leidy "White Shadow" / P1R (1,3) / Hexer PS (1,7)

Reflectoid is pretty slow, although it speeds up a little with use. It is significantly slower than Tenergy, a completely different animal. I haven't used Tackiness chop before so can't compare. Reflectoid can generate good speed if the stroke is right; positive and mostly brushed, not engaging the sponge too much.

Bizarrely I am attacking far more with this than when I had mark V or IQUL on my backhand; because you need to be positive it gets you into that mindset - and when you need to defend there is no other inverted rubber I would rather be using. I use 2.0 by the way.

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Nittaku Acoustic 86g F/H PME MAX 47.5 deg + B/H Rakza7 2.0mm
Butterfly Timo Boll ALC F/H Rakza7 MAX + B/H Rakza7 SOFT 1.8mm
For nostalgia: 1977 Butterfly Kenny Style 99g : currently semi-naked
For fun: Butterfly Oh Sang Eun, F/H PME MAX 47.5deg & CK531A 1.0

well the choice is obvious:

http://www.tabletennisdb.com/rubber/stiga-chop-and-drive.html

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After 9 years of LPs on BH I have gained too much weight and slowed down too much to be a chopper. I have gone to double inverted!

729 HS champ carbon Sword Maze FH/Juic Nanospin II BH (both max)
Double Fish Chen Qi carbon Sword Maze FH/Tenergy 80 BH (both max)

I'm not sure how a few lines from a couple of unknown people can make the choice obvious?

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Thank you sooo much for the video you opened my eyes very useful! I was looking for Stick and Spin in rubber and i see Reflectoid has it. What about control? How does it feel when it hits the ball? Is it better for pushing, blocking, looping?

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Blade: Re-Impact Backspin Control
BH: 802-40 with SST Cross sponge 1.5mm red
FH: Butterfly Tackiness D 1.2mm black
For now

Also so_devo what would you recommend im using butterfly tackiness D 1.2mm so should i get the 1.0mm or 1.5mm sponge on reflectoid how much does it differ?

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Blade: Re-Impact Backspin Control
BH: 802-40 with SST Cross sponge 1.5mm red
FH: Butterfly Tackiness D 1.2mm black
For now

I forgot to use either the sarcasm font or add a

That said, how is it any different that anything we read on any TT message board? (I did try this rubber a few years ago and found that despite its name it did neither well).

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After 9 years of LPs on BH I have gained too much weight and slowed down too much to be a chopper. I have gone to double inverted!

729 HS champ carbon Sword Maze FH/Juic Nanospin II BH (both max)
Double Fish Chen Qi carbon Sword Maze FH/Tenergy 80 BH (both max)

Its strengths lie in blocking, chopping and the short game. Control is simply outstanding. It feels .... well, like the soft, control rubber that it is. It blocks better than any inverted I have ever used.
You can attack very effectively with it too, spinny if you brush the ball, but don't try to drive the ball when away from the table as it will lack the pace to do that effectively. If you can hold the table it is a good weapon.

Note that I have this on a fairly quick blade.



To me that suggests 1.5mm. Depends on how much offence you use. If it is only occasional, then go 1.5mm. If you are genuinely allround, go 2.0. I have never seen this in 1.0, is it available? I think it would bottom out too easily, it is far softer than Tackiness D, and probably slower unless you really lay into the ball.

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Nittaku Acoustic 86g F/H PME MAX 47.5 deg + B/H Rakza7 2.0mm
Butterfly Timo Boll ALC F/H Rakza7 MAX + B/H Rakza7 SOFT 1.8mm
For nostalgia: 1977 Butterfly Kenny Style 99g : currently semi-naked
For fun: Butterfly Oh Sang Eun, F/H PME MAX 47.5deg & CK531A 1.0

It is hard for me to describe my playing style, but i go by this simple policy " who ever keeps the ball on the table the longest, wins" so i barely use any offense, infact i only use it to drive the ball back when im away from the table, or smash it when its up high, other wise i push or block the ball, i also use short pips on my bh 804-40 with 1.5mm stt cross blue sponge, for extra control, and im still waiting ob Gambler PK to come. 1.0mm is available at zeropong.com and i recall megaspin.net has it as well.

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Blade: Re-Impact Backspin Control
BH: 802-40 with SST Cross sponge 1.5mm red
FH: Butterfly Tackiness D 1.2mm black
For now