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I love tacky rubbers that can perform a nice, slow, very, very heavy spin loop off of underspin. However I have not been able to find a rubber that does this well, but also has good mid-distance counter looping power. For example my gambler outlaw is great off the table and at the table, but I cannot consistently do the slow spinney loop off underspin at the table. I can do that slow loop nicely with 729-08 ES, but off the table against a heavy loop I can't counter loop at all (kind of do a safe, fishing like topspin).

Maybe (ok probably) it is just me. But has anyone found an equipment solution to this? I will not list all the rubber I have tried to save time/internet space.

thanx

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Based on what I've heard from some players at my club who use it, Palio Thors may be what you are looking for. Fast, firm, and tacky.

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There's no magic rubber for this... What you have to do is to further understand the characteristics of your rubber and adjust your technique accordingly.

Say you could do the slow spinny loop against underspin at the table very well with the 729-08, but could not counter loop successfully against a heavy loop with it. The thing to understand is your counter looping technique is most likely off when you use this rubber. Because of the fact that 729-08 is more spinny than the Outlaw, you have to accelerate your racket speed to add even more topspin to your counter loop to bring the ball down. So a successful counter loop with 729-08 will look faster, spinnier and stronger than an Outlaw's. You simply can't perform a medium-speed counter loop consistently with 729-08 like you could with Outlaw (or Tenergy), but you could perform a fast and powerful counter loop time and time again. Does it make sense?

On to the other point: If you can't perform a spinny loop off the push with Outlaw as well as with a 729-08, it means you are not brushing fast enough as required by Outlaw's characteristics, even though it was sufficient when you use a 729-08. So you need to adjust your thinking by accepting your current rubber's properties, in order to develop necessary techniques to make it work as you desire.

I have tried thors (for about 5 or so months, but before I had consistent coaching the last 15 months) and found that although faster and more powerful and spinnier than the 729-08 ES, it suffered the same inability to counter loop off the table with my technique.
I have no doubt something is incorrect with my stroke-lots of chinese trained players use tacky rubber and can counter loop from mid distance extraordinarily well. With outlaw I simply stroke the counter loop and it digs deeply into the sponge and rockets off. With tacky rubbers I never can sink the ball deeply into the sponge. Close to the table I can play well with both, but the tacky rubbers control, counterloop over the table and slow loop so much easier. But since I also play a chopping game with my LP, I find myself off the table a fair amount of time.

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After 9 years of LPs on BH I have gained too much weight and slowed down too much to be a chopper. I have gone to double inverted!

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Double Fish Chen Qi carbon Sword Maze FH/Tenergy 80 BH (both max)

I used the JUIIC 999 Turbo for this... it's easily the spinniest for slow spinny loops that I have found. It has enough power to loop from mid-distance, although I would not call it ideal... it's better than many other Chinese rubbers but not as easy as many Japanese/Euro rubbers.

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The best slow looper in my club uses 2.2mm Globe 999 that I put on his bat. Is that the same topsheet as haggisv's Juice 999 turbo? (the Globe is real cheap at eacheng)

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I've had "999" rubbers from Globe, XiYing and ThreeNine (the 999 company), and I must say the topsheets have been very similar (very tacky, fairly thick base, medium firm rubber). Haven't had my hands on the "Juic" one, so I can't say for sure, but from descriptions it seems to be quite similar, so I am guessing that it is the same rubber under a different label (and if we are to believe the marketing, it has Juic' own sponge, which offers a springy response even with a soft sponge).

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Yes the JUIC 999 Turbo has a less tacky but softer and more elastic topsheet. The sponge is quite a but more lively and faster too. The JUIC 999 CHN has a topsheet very similar to the Globe 999 ( I suspect Globe make this for them) and still with a more lively and faster sponge.
The trouble with the regular Globe sponge is that it's too dead and it runs out of steam at higher impact. The Globe 999 National is much better. but only comes with a very firm sponge, which I think is meant to be glued or booster a lot to make it more playable.

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I have been trying sanwei T88-1 the last couple of times and in terms of being able to slow loop and counter loop off the table it does the trick. However in terms of hitting it falls apart. My coach played with it some tonight and thought there was good dwell and that it felt like T 05fx when he looped, but he also felt it could hit very well at all-no control.

Anyone try the new KTL GOLDEN STAR (Fast Attack) or (loop)? I wonder if one of these may be a possibility.

I have not tried 999 turbo (have tried 999 in a couple of versions).

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After 9 years of LPs on BH I have gained too much weight and slowed down too much to be a chopper. I have gone to double inverted!

729 HS champ carbon Sword Maze FH/Juic Nanospin II BH (both max)
Double Fish Chen Qi carbon Sword Maze FH/Tenergy 80 BH (both max)

What about milky way apollo?

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It did not work for me (neither did apollo 2) when I tried a few years ago.

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After 9 years of LPs on BH I have gained too much weight and slowed down too much to be a chopper. I have gone to double inverted!

729 HS champ carbon Sword Maze FH/Juic Nanospin II BH (both max)
Double Fish Chen Qi carbon Sword Maze FH/Tenergy 80 BH (both max)

Van, tryout 999 over whatever hardness you like in Quattro sponge. Cole will built it for $15. You sound like you would love 40 degree or softer. 999 is an excellent allround OFF rubber, kinda like a more tacky version of Sriver. 999 will slow loop all day and slap it if you are into that. Like RR has said, it is not such an easy deal to time the height and break on those incoming heavy loops and each rubber requires a different stroke. 999 topsheet is initially tacky and if you abuse it, it will be only 1/4 tacky, which is kinda how I liked it when it was my FH rubber in 2008-2009. Gettting down the timing of your opponent's kick on the heavy loops can be tricky, but when you get it right, your bomb won't come back.

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So you are saying go 999 turbo without paying the $

That is a good idea. I do think I would like the harder sponge. My blade is pretty slow and soft sponges do not have much punch. I did find an unopened sheet of palio thors in the closet and will retry that as well. The 729-08 ES has a lot of advantages. If I am ready for it I can counter loop opponents loops for winners very nicely. My try the "Coles version" of 999turbo

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After 9 years of LPs on BH I have gained too much weight and slowed down too much to be a chopper. I have gone to double inverted!

729 HS champ carbon Sword Maze FH/Juic Nanospin II BH (both max)
Double Fish Chen Qi carbon Sword Maze FH/Tenergy 80 BH (both max)

I used 999 over a very firm 42 degree quattro sponge for several years. I still have a sheet for humidity emergencies as 999 is one of the best performing rubbers in high humidity. (Ball does not slip off like 99% of rubbers) Cole assembles it for $15 and of course shipping in USA is cheap and fast. I like my rubber/sponge combo HARD. That is me. You might like it less firm, like 40 degree. Maybe even 35 if you want better close to table and less power from distance. Try 40 degree out. 999 topsheet is almost bullet proff and lasts a long time. Although it is a tacky rubber, you can abuse it and make it less tacky, the way I like it only 1/4 mildly tacky. You can preserve it with plastic sheets and occasional olive oil/lemon juice and it will stay tacky. Try it out it's very inexpensive.

Like RR says, each rubber requires a differnt way to hit different shots and some rubbers are not cut out for them well. I had Gambler as FH rubber for a year or two and loved it. I could spin close to table and be Macho-Man away from table. That was me. I have a high bat speed at impact and can get that spin from Outlaw close to table, but I get a little better spin from other rubbers close to table and have moved on.

I could suggest a non-tacky rubber like Aurus or Genius, but you look like you want tacky or bust.

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I am not so sure that I am committed to buying tacky rubber, as I am sick of trying 60-80 dollar rubber and liking it LESS than 20 dollar stuff. Last few sheets of top dollar stuff have been huge disappointments-hammond pro beta comes to mind first.

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After 9 years of LPs on BH I have gained too much weight and slowed down too much to be a chopper. I have gone to double inverted!

729 HS champ carbon Sword Maze FH/Juic Nanospin II BH (both max)
Double Fish Chen Qi carbon Sword Maze FH/Tenergy 80 BH (both max)