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PostPosted: 06 Sep 2012, 14:43 
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Actually both forehand and backhand feel quite natural to me. The best way I can describe it is this: put your arm straight out in front of you and give a stubby Bill Clinton thumbs-up. Now stick your paddle in your fist with the blade pointing up, parallel to your body. You are now looking straight at the rubber of your paddle with your thumb pressed against the bottom center of the rubber (about half of your thumb pressed against the bevel of the handle). Rotate your wrist 90 degrees counter clockwise (right handed) to be in position to hit your backhand. Rotate your wrist 90 degrees clockwise to be in position to hit your forehand. Most of the adjustment is my my shoulder and stance rather than in grip, although that shifts as well.

Great recommendations so far!

I played a guy who used this grip.

He backed away form the table and couldn't get my backspin serve because of it. His shots had little topspin, most of his balls had either top/side or just a flat out smash...

Yeah, I've seen some people use a similar grip, and it never works very well. I don't mean to sound offensive, but I'd say changing your grip to shakehand or at least Seemiller should be your top priority. It won't take that long to adjust, and the benefits will be enormous.

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I guess that would be close to a hammer grip (With that thumb on the back I sometimes call it a "skillet grip", and advise my players to change). As long as you can stay close to the table and control the game from there, it is quite an efficient grip, with little trouble in the crossover zone and good power for attack strokes. If "Bar league" implies cramped venues, the position close to the table may be the only position there is, so the grip is actually quite OK. However, once you need to stretch or turn a bit, it is very difficult to angle the bat for a good return. (I may be wrong at this, seeing that glennholder uses a hammer grip to some extent. Perhaps ask him ...)


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glennholder wrote:
Another rubber option is the rubber that Pushblocker uses specifically to create serve spin (he is a 2300 level Florida State Champion that plays 99% BH with long pips and uses a dangerous serve)

his serving rubber is Friendship SST Cross, available at zeropong and others. I have used this rubber and it is spinnier than Geospin Tacky.


That's a good suggestion. You can get SST Cross with 1.5mm sponge and is relatively light (I had used it in the past). The DHS rubbers are quite heavy. However, the SST Cross does not stay tacky very long.

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PostPosted: 06 Sep 2012, 21:24 
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729 series is pretty good, and also h2 and h3 are very tacky and spinny as well, you can get them for $20 or under.

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PostPosted: 06 Sep 2012, 21:57 
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I just got finished trying Apollo from yin he ( milky way ) its like $20.00 a sheet and
has a good finish to it as well. Spins very well and is tacky and has a little machanical spin as well. I also use TopEnergy soft, and that also spins pretty good and is not expensive. Again this is depending on technique. Sticky seems to work good at low speed and unless you can generate alot of wrist snap with tensor rubbers...? just keep trying. *Remember to use the tip of the blade to generate the most spin off serve.

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If the sticky surface is also quite hard and stiff and in addition mounted on a dull sponge then you have to hit it very explosively to bring rotation into the ball. This is the reason why I need some catapult in the sponge and a certain flexibilty in the rubber - I have a miserably working wrist.

Another annoying feature of these classical chinese rubbers: temperature sensitivity ! In the summer time (training) life is OK, but then in winter (when the league games takes place) you hardly get anything of these rubbers during the game - it's too cold (room temperature 17-18° C).


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You can get SST Cross with 1.5mm sponge and is relatively light (I had used it in the past).


Yes, I used it in the 1.5mm, so does Pushblocker. Rubber durability is not a concern if all you are using it for is serving, you don't make as many hits with it then!

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Hurricane 2 is the most tackiest rubber. it's only 15$ or so. It's hard to control so you may be better with Hurricane 3 but it is a little less tacky.

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Thanks for all of the helpful advice! I think I am going to go with 729 GeoSpin Tacky. Of course I love its tackiness but I also like that it isn't quite as hard as most tacky Chinese rubbers. Seems to have good elastic and tacky properties to combine for great spin potential...not to mention the value. I assume 2.2 in black will have the highest spin potential? The slower speed of this rubber is a plus for me too since I will have it on an offensive Bomb blade and I am more of an Allround+ player.


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duckyjp,

I currently play with Geospin Tacky.

My impressions of it is this. It's nice, cheaper rubber. You can create good spin with this rubber. I like the medium sponge on it but I was slightly disappointed with its initial tackiness. Both the Red & Black (each 2.2 mm) for me could pick up the ball up off the table for about a second or two before dropping.

Given everything advertised about this rubber, I was expecting better results from a tackiness prospective.

In the end though it's a nice rubber. It's a great price and it has a medium sponge so it is not a monster for a newer player (like myself) to control. In time I am curious to step it up a little to perhaps the Hurricane series. I'm not sure what I will think of the harder sponges (hopefully I don't lose too much feel) but it seems like from a tackiness & grippy prospective, those are even better.

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YinHe/Milky Way Apollo I seems like a similar option to the 729 GeoSpin Tacky. Can anyone compare the two? Which is tackier? Which is softer?


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In the end though it's a nice rubber. It's a great price and it has a medium sponge so it is not a monster for a newer player (like myself) to control. In time I am curious to step it up a little to perhaps the Hurricane series. I'm not sure what I will think of the harder sponges (hopefully I don't lose too much feel) but it seems like from a tackiness & grippy prospective, those are even better.


I am also curious about the softer side of the Hurricane series - Specifically Hurricane 2 with the #19 sponge. If it is really the exact same super tacky top sheet and if it is significantly softer than regular Hurricane 2.


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duckyjp wrote:
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In the end though it's a nice rubber. It's a great price and it has a medium sponge so it is not a monster for a newer player (like myself) to control. In time I am curious to step it up a little to perhaps the Hurricane series. I'm not sure what I will think of the harder sponges (hopefully I don't lose too much feel) but it seems like from a tackiness & grippy prospective, those are even better.


I am also curious about the softer side of the Hurricane series - Specifically Hurricane 2 with the #19 sponge. If it is really the exact same super tacky top sheet and if it is significantly softer than regular Hurricane 2.


I got to hit the other night with a buddy's paddle. He bought it used and it had Hurricane 3 on one side and G666 on the other. Wow talk about tacky & spin. And these were old rubbers!! IMO they blow away Geospin Tacky in tackiness. I'd like to see how these hit when new.

Now the paddle was heavy with both. But I play Jpen and would just get one for myself.

I could not tell which I liked more or felt which was tackier between the H3 & G666. I should note that the H3 was Red and the G666 was black. Honestly both felt about the same in amount of spin and grip. Both blew me away. Really enjoyed hitting with them.

Now I know these are harder sponges compared to Geospin tacky but honestly the difference IMO isn't that great. They both have such tacky topsheets, I could feel the ball lift up on my hits. Felt like I had good control.

Where these shined that I've never experienced is the harder, faster sponges. I typically like the idea of soft rubbers but on short pushes where the ball has little to no speed, the chops on these harder sponges were much springier and had more spin. Pushes I might play in the past that would go into the net (say if they're not hit with enough umph with the soft sponge) would go over with these harder sponges with much more spin.

Needless to say, I'm a big fan of DHS after hitting with these two rubbers. There's a club mate selling a brand new sheet of H3 Neo for $15 and I jumped on that. I will give my impressions here in about a week.

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