ILya wrote:
I noticed that the original poster said that it is made in Japan. I saw nothing on the packaging to indicate that and if I were to make a guess, I would say it is an ESN rubber.
I have also seen someone saying that it is a close of Bluefire. Since I have a Bluefire, I do not think that is the case. MX-P has a crisper fell and much better feedback than Bluefire M1. The throw on MX-P is a touch lower, but because of a stiffer topsheet I can produce more subtle spin variations with the wrist snap.
MX-P looped exceptionally well, while still retaining good control in the short game and provided for nice blocking touch. I did not stumble onto any particular idiosyncrasies and to me it played like a further evolution of Tibhar Aurus, except with a bit more spin and even better ball feedback. Unless, I discover something new, it is likely to find a permanent home on my BH.
Yes, I think the same, Evolution has a much better feeling than Bluefire. In my opinion, the Evolution rubbers have more spin and are much more close to Tenergy rubbers.
One thing, I have to say, I am not 100% sure. I wrote in my first posting:
Walee76 wrote:
Here is it: The new rubber of Vladimir Samsonov!
TIBHAR Evolution
There are 4 versions of this great japanese rubber:
Evolution FX-P
Evolution EL-P
Evolution MX-P
Evolution MX-S
I don´t know 100%, if the rubbers are "made in japan". For me, it was without doubt, that they come from Japan, because everything is same like Tenergy: The sticker on package with the thickness and colour of rubber. The rubber itself has original japanese size (it is higher than ESN-rubbers, which are 17 x 17 cm). And the 6-piece-box is also same like this from Butterfly and the sticker on this box, too.
So for me, it was doubtless, that the rubber is produced 100% in Japan. And also the feeling of playing this rubber, the spin, the contact time of ball on the rubber, it´s original japanese style.
Because I was not 100% sure, where the rubber is produced, I asked Tibhar company. They told me, that they can give informations to all other Tibhar rubbers, where they are produced, for example Speedy Spin, Vari Spin, Nianmor, Grass (Japan), Grip-S (China), Genius, Aurus, 1Q and 5Q rubbers (germany), but they give no informations about their Evolution rubbers, where the rubber is produced or which parts of the complete rubber is produced in which country.
Then I asked a person, who is very very close to Tibhar company. He told me, that it is a big secret and the parts of the rubber are not produced only in one country. It told me, it is a "HCP". I asked, what means "HCP" and he told, it is a "hybrid construction project", but he cannot say more about it.
I inquired then again to Tibhar company, and argued, that the rubber size, the feeling and spin of the Evolution, the package with sticker and the 6-piece-box with sticker, everything is telling me, that the rubber comes from Japan. Tibhar told me again, that they can´t (don´t want) answer any question to these rubbers, everything is told on the description on the package and in onlinestores and catalogs and furthermore the product design must nothing mean concerning the production places, because one of the main markets for the Evolution rubbers is Japan, so it would be not surprising, if the product design is adapted especial for the japanese market.
They added in their response, that it should not be important, in which countries a product is produced, because the vital importance is, that the product is good and from a high quality with a great performance and they are happy, that they produced a high-end product with unique selling proposition and special stand-alone features.
I've been thinking for some time about their answer and I think they are right, because for sure, the most important thing is, that a rubber is playing very good and has a great feeling and the rubber is not better or worse, if it is produced in Hongkong, France, Germany, Japan, USA or India and also the name of a product is only important for marketing, but does not change the performance of a rubber (so I would like playing with the Evolution rubber same, if it would be called "elephant 0:11"-rubber
).
We table tennis player, there happens too much in our head and sometimes we think about things, which are not really important and forget the really important things.
There is one little change:
Walee76 wrote:
We got:
6 x Evolution FX-P black
6 x Evolution FX-P red
6 x Evolution MX-P black
6 x Evolution MX-P red
1 x Evolution EL-P black test-rubber (official allowed 01.01.2013)
1 x Evolution MX-S red test-rubber (official allowed 01.01.2013)
some new blades
My son is using now Evolution MX-P black (forehand) and Evolution FX-P red (backhand), blade is now Tibhar Illusion Killer. (before: Tenergy 05, Tenergy 05-FX and blade Korbel SK7)
I am using now Evolution MX-S red / MX-P red (forehand) and Evolution MX-P black (backhand), blade is still Butterfly Boll ALC (I did not yet try a new blade of Tibhar and to be honest: I am not the best friend of Tibhar blades). My rubbers before: Tenergy 05 (forehand) and Tenergy 64 (backhand).
Because we did only get 1 MX-S rubber and Tibhar told me, that they will not launch this rubber in season 2012/2013, I changed my forehand rubber from MX-S to MX-P. EL-P is available since some weeks, I changed now from MX-P on backhand to EL-P. My son still plays MX-P and FX-P.
One more information to my rating and descripton:
Walee76 wrote:
my rating and description of Tibhar Evolution rubbers:
FX-P is the softest version of Evolution rubbers, for all players who used a rubber like Tenergy 05-FX.
EL-P is a medium-sponge version for all players, who don´t want to play with a soft rubber, but cannot play with a hard rubber.
MX-P is a hard-sponge version for players who want to have power with shorter movement-technique or need speed without having the best hand- & arm-acceleration. The own catapult of the MX-P version is a little bit higher than the MX-S version, so the speed, maximum-spin and power comes more from the included power of the rubber and you need not so much acceleration of your body (it is not necessary to "activate" the rubber, because it has more build-in-catapult, so you can produce the same spin and power with a shorter and slower technique).
MX-S is a hard-sponge version for players who have a good hand- & arm-acceleration and have a little bit longer movement-technique. The own catapult of the MX-S version is a little bit less than the MX-P version, so the speed, maximum-spin and power comes more from your acceleration of your body (you "activate" the rubber with your longer and faster technique).
The EL-P rubber is a medium-sponge rubber, but the hardness is closer to MX-P that to FX-P.
I think, that the EL-P has the softer sponge, but a little bit harder surface and the MX-P has a harder sponge, but a little bit softer surface, so the difference of hardness between EL-P to MX-P is not huge. You will feel the difference, it will make not a world of difference as day and night.
The FX-P is much softer than EL-P and MX-P. The hardness is like a speedglued Sriver FX and harder than Genius Sound and Aurus Sound, but softer than Aurus Soft.