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I tried Battle 1 and saw its advantages but it was very different from the other rubber I was trying at the time (big dipper). I have since passed it on. On the other hand I tried battle 2 which is tacky like big dipper but with my blades (LQ-1) is much faster than big dipper and plays really well. It blocks well and I can smash my opponents loops very nicely. I cannot re-loop their loops as well as with big dipper but I have great control. I have absolutely no problem hitting winners with it.

summary-I am playing very well and confidently with battle 2. I actually am planning to stay with it.

wanted to update this after using battle 1 softer (40) on fh and battle 1 harder (42) on bh for nearly 2 months and 50 hours play. the topsheets no longer look brand new, but they clean up very nicely with a wipe. i honestly haven't noticed any drop in spin. lifting underspin is still v easy and loops are still powerful and spinny. i expect to have at least another 2-3 months out of them which would be over 100 hours and have just ordered some more from ebay at 13 pounds each!

i had my first coaching session with those rubbers last night. the coach is used to me playing joola rhyzm 425. i didn't tell him i'd switched rubbers and he didn't say anything. i hardly missed any underspin loops on both sides last night - it is a really easy to play with and great value rubber. i think next time i might drop down to the soft sponge one on bh just to lose a bit of weight. both versions are more than fast enough for me.

Getting my chance to try it on the cheap here. New-new Shop is having a $10 off $35 sale, current Battle price is $21.90. Throw in a sheet of KTL Green Dragon (which I've always wanted to try) and it's $39, less $10 and it's $29.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/729-BATT ... 13834.html

Sale good for the next 20 hours or so.

Iskandar

Here http://tt-maximum.com/forum/index.php?topic=4916.0
can find nice pics of rubber including battle. Easy compare pips structure. Good luck.

VERY interesting. It looks like Battle I and II are very different - Battle II has a small-pore sponge, Battle has a thicker topsheet with longer pips and a big pore sponge (like virtually all the Tensors and newer Japanese "speed" rubbers). The Tensor (and Japanese) sponges look very different, though - the bubbles appear closed, while on the Battle sponge, the pores connect - it looks like a Brillo pad. Tenergy is very Tensor-like in terms of what the sponge looks like.

I wonder if the large pore sponge that came with the special 729FX sheets was some sort of Battle sponge prototype.

Battle:


Battle II:


Rasant:


Sriver:


Mercury II:


729 FX big pore sponge


Rasant:


Just got a message back from New-new Shop - Battle is available in 40 and 42 degrees. Battle II? 45, 47, 49. OUCH. (Like Wildish Dragon - only available with hard sponge.) I know which one I'm going to get.

Iskandar

iskandar taib, I have tried Battle 2 and Battle 1. Battle 2 does have harder sponge but I find it very easy to play with with more control than battle 1. Do not let the reported hardness of the battle 2 sponge scare you off. It is certainly more chinese than battle 1. I would be scarred away from the reported hardness of B2 but it is not the really hard chinese sponge of yesterday!

Hello friends, yes pictures are very useful. Important information here is:
1. Width of pips.
2. Space between pips.
3. Height of pips and layer above pips.
4. Total thickness of topsheet.
Width of pips. The width of butterfly t05, t64, and t80 is 1.7 mm. A lot of new rubbers (after 2008 year ) have the same width. Together with small space between pips, leads to strong spin capability.
Unique of tenergy is total thickness of topsheet = 1.7 mm with sponge thickness 2.1 mm = 3.8 mm total rubber thickness. A few rubbers have this thickness of topsheet!!! 99 percent have pips with small height and monstrously thick rubber layer above pips. A lot rubbers have total thickness of topsheet around 1.85 mm - 1.9 mm and total thickness of rubber 3.95 – 4.00 mm!
For me it is stupidly. This is around 2.5 – 3.00 grams more weight!! A lot of rubber border to max allowable thickness of rubber 4.00 mm!!!
Battle 1 have no exception of this. It has 1.85 mm topsheet. If sponge has thickness 2.1 mm = 3.95 mm total rubber thickness!! I can’t understand why butterfly tenergy have small total thickness and why 99 percent of others rubbers have almost 3.95 mm - 4.00 mm thickness?
Good luck friends.

QUICK! 10 minutes left to get your Battle cheap!!

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/729-BATT ... 58870.html

$10 off a $35 order...

Got mine already, heh heh heh....

Iskandar

I ordered a sheet of Battle, and will probably try Battle II later. I've tried a LOT of Chinese rubber, I find it's all more alike than not. The only ones I didn't like were the ones with sponge harder than 42 - I had a sheet of Emperor Dragon with 44-46 degree sponge, for instance, and a sheet of 999 with 44-46 degree sponge. Yet you wonder if one manufacturer's 40 is the same as someone else's 40. The European scale is, of course, completely unrelated.

Iskandar

Well, sure, but do note that Tenergy 05 is among the heaviest of rubbers! Add to that, there's a lot of variation from sheet to sheet in some brands.

http://www.choices-guide.com/silver/

Some more images for side-to-side comparison:

Tenergy 05


Donic Bluefire Turbo


Hmmmmmmm...... Is the Tenergy topsheet that much thinner? Yes it is... but what does Bluefire Turbo weigh??

Hurricane 3 Commercial


Hurricane 3 National (red?????)


Hurricane 2


(Tell me if you see what I see.... )

Sun


Moon


Aha! Always wondered what the difference was......

Iskandar

I've given up on getting my Battle II to break in and get less tacky/less slow; it's seemingly unwilling to cooperate. Battle I remains my FH rubber.

Are you using the 40 or 42 degree version of battle I?

Hello friends, of course sponge hardnes determined weight of rubber too .
But if sponge of bluefire jp01 turbo is 2.1 and hardness of sponge is the same like tenergy,
bluefire will weight with 2.5 - 3 grams more. I dont like havier rubbers.
With this havier weight rubbers are not competitive. But with lower price ... are .

That's the thing, though. If you don't like heavier rubbers, then you shouldn't like Tenergy 05, since it's heavier than just about everything except for Haifu Whale!

Iskandar

Hello friends, I had many t05, all ....around 47 grams. And many t64 all around 46 grams. I had also bluefire m1 with weight around 49.5 grams, 1q xd around 49.4 grams, mx-p around 49.7 grams, omega 4 pro around 48.7 grams ... . I don't think tenergy rubers are havier. Do you?