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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
PostPosted: 25 Apr 2017, 01:52 
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Aahhh the dreaded quest to find the catapult effect rubber :-P

People dont understand that Tenergy rubber is very very different from say Andro Rasant rubber. And that this so called catapult effect is all in the mind of the player. Might as well ask for the "Trebuchet" effect :-P

Problem is not all rubbers react so violently like Tenergy when contacting a spinning and fast ball. A beginner player like me after experimenting with all manner of Tensor and tensor-like rubbers, I ended up using 729 SuperFX and 729-2 rubbers and Yasaka Rising Dragon for competition. All the Euro rubbers and Tensor rubbers are "too fast" as in they have too much "catapult" or "trebuchet" effect built in to them :lol:

If I wanted to launch the TT ball into say near-earth orbit I will go and buy all the tensor rubbers and stop playing TT :rofl: and get into rocket science :lol: :rofl:

In short, Tenergy if you want Catapult effect .... everything else if you want less catapult effect. Chinese if you hate catapult effect and prefer the "trebuchet" effect that requires you to use arm power.


Ah.. you haven't started dabbling with Seamoon yet, right? :lol:

If you read around there are people who say "catapult" is different than "bouncy". "Bouncy" is not desirable, and is what causes, for instance, popped-up pushes or long blocks, while this mysterious "catapult" effect increases the speed of loops rather than flat drives and is desirable. Me, I've tried Rasant back to back with Big Dipper and that generic Emperor Dragon you find at ttnpp for $4 and can barely tell the difference, except that Rasant "feels softer".

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How is in comparison with Blitz in terms of catapult effect?


I've only played a bit with Blit'z in the past and don't really remember. However, blit'z is quite a bit more expensive putting near the European rubbers price wise.


As far as I know Blit'z IS European rubber (being made by ESN with the Tensor logo and all). It's just SOLD by Palio (as is Macro Era, Thor's and Macro Pro). Check out the price of Aeolus... :lol:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Palio-A ... 95521.html

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
PostPosted: 26 Apr 2017, 02:47 
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iskandar taib wrote:
If you read around there are people who say "catapult" is different than "bouncy". "Bouncy" is not desirable, and is what causes, for instance, popped-up pushes or long blocks, while this mysterious "catapult" effect increases the speed of loops rather than flat drives and is desirable. Me, I've tried Rasant back to back with Big Dipper and that generic Emperor Dragon you find at ttnpp for $4 and can barely tell the difference, except that Rasant "feels softer".


Interesting, I think I experienced tenergy to be bouncy like that with chopping backspin back, but maybe I was just not doing it right. I still think these effects are interconnected. The "bouncy" would be how much the ball bounces back from the bat, and 'catapult' would be how much of the spin is mirrored and put back on the ball I guess. I think we need more science in table tennis.


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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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The "spin mirrored back" part is, I think, the "throw" (i.e. how much grip the rubber has, and it's ability to generate spin and be affected by spin).

You're right about the "science" (or rather, the quantifiable tests). I am very sure they exist, but they're not in the public domain. I'll bet Butterfly has reams and reams of data. So does ESN. Without these things we can measure and put numbers on, we have this mishmash of vague terms that mean different things to different people.

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