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PostPosted: 20 May 2016, 20:37 
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Thanks to Alex for the opportunity to test this.

This is the softer variant - I think I read 40 deg sponge somewhere? If so that would be along the lines of the tensor scale. It feels to me (by touch, not play), a little harder than victas v15 limber which is noted also at 40 deg.

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The packet, with tensor-esque symbol in the corner

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Domed out of the packet....this made it a little tricky to glue. It didn't smell heavily tuned though, unlike the Tibhar Evolution mxp on the other side that still reeks of factory booster weeks later!

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The sponge....not entirely smooth but the pores are very small

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The pimple structure...quite thin and tall as you would likely expect from a rubber purported to be spin orientated

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Topsheet and sponge look top quality, no blemishes at all and just a light sheen to the topsheet. It feels very grippy, no stickiness, and overall feels medium-soft to the 'squeeze' test.

That's all for now until I get a chance to have a hit with it, probably Sunday.



EDIT 25 May 2016

I have now had four decent sessions with the Regalis Red, including 3 hours yesterday. This soft version of Regalis is for me a backhand rubber, and the reference rubbers are Victas V15>limber. (also 40 degree sponge) and Rakza 7 soft. Generally I use 2mm on backhand so I wondered if I would have an issue with max, but here is the strange thing. It looks and to me also plays like a very thin max. I have Tibhar evolution mxp (2.1-2.2mm - Tibhar use a range) on the other side of the bat and that looks thicker. Other testers, does yours also appear the same?

So, how does it play?

First up it has a lowish throw for this type of rubber. This is a key characteristic and defines the rubber. Certainly lower than the v15 and rakza. It is also more linear than the other two, with a lesser catapult/bouncy effect in the short game. I really like both of these properties, as once you adjust to having to give the ball a little more 'air' it becomes a very safe rubber (for an offensive rubber of this type).

I should say that the short and serving game spin is very good indeed, especially service. Short, spinny backhand serves, even off high tosses (this is a tactic I like to employ to fool opponents that I am going for a long serve!) were consistent and loaded. Even plain backspin variants were catching out players who play me regularly.

Moving into the world of topspin, this is a good and thoroughly competent rubber. I have been struggling to work out whether it is just giving a glue sound (click/crack!)  or whether it is bottoming out on harder shots. Whatever, it is somewhat loud. I suspect the latter as earlier this week when we did some fishing vs 'put away' practice, where I always play forehand, I flipped the bat and didn't bottom out. R7 soft and v15 limber would have done.

Spin in the topspin environment is very good without being exceptional. It is however a very safe and consistent rubber.

Blocking is just superb! Blade angle needs to be sufficiently closed but it just soaks up the spin and speed and sends it back.

So what's not to like? Well, it seems quite sensitive to spin in the short game. Once the sponge is engaged this is not the case, so blocking or topspin to topspin is fine. Also, although quick there are faster options out there. It is almost a half classic/half tensor option. It is linear and rewards committed strokes.

After a few sessions it is unmarked and unchipped.

I like it lots and it is now my main BH rubber.

In summary, v15 limber (V) vs rakza 7 soft (S) vs Regalis red (R)....

Serving R>S>V
Short game spin R>S>V
Short game control R>V>S
Topspin S>R=V
Short game spin sensitivity worse to better R=S>V
Speed .... Not a lot of difference
Linearity R best S worst V middle
Blocking R , S=V
Durability .... Too early to  sure but R and V look best, S is prone to chipping.
Throw (low to high)... R, V, S

Questions welcome......

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Domed out of the packet? Wow. The blue showed nothing of that. I'll be interested to hear how it hits. I'm using the blue as my primary rubber still/now, as I'm getting the feel of it well, and without using Rasant in direct comparison, it doesn't feel so different that it can't be used as an alternative.

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Domed out of the packet? Wow. The blue showed nothing of that. I'll be interested to hear how it hits. I'm using the blue as my primary rubber still/now, as I'm getting the feel of it well, and without using Rasant in direct comparison, it doesn't feel so different that it can't be used as an alternative.

Still haven't got mine yet! Hopefully early next week! I have some great players of all styles lined up to do a test including myself!

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low throw characteristics but requires a closed bat for blocking?

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low throw characteristics but requires a closed bat for blocking?


Yup. I think it is a characteristic of the rubber being a bit sensitive to spin, and the soft sponge soaking up the speed, which is different to it's natural (low) angle in the short game. Does that make sense? I appreciate we sometimes all use different terminology.

EDIT: I'll try to get some video soon if the opportunity arises.

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That's "dish". "Dome" is when the sponge expands and it's curled the other way (like you used to get when you used speed glue). I quit using Palio CJ8000 and Yasaka ZAP because of this. One was so bad I ended up with a crease in the topsheet.

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That's "dish". "Dome" is when the sponge expands and it's curled the other way (like you used to get when you used speed glue). I quit using Palio CJ8000 and Yasaka ZAP because of this. One was so bad I ended up with a crease in the topsheet.

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Ah OK. Not heard it called 'dish' before. I think we used to term it a 'reverse dome'.

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That's because I invented it... :lol:

"Dome" has been around since the old speed gluing days, though - we wpuld stick the rubber on the blade when the dome was fully developed, stretching the sponge. (Sometimes you need a racket press to keep it on if you weren't going to play right away.) So if it goes the opposite way it should be the opposite of a dome (which would be a dish.. :lol: )

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Spin in the topspin environment is very good without being exceptional. It is however a very safe and consistent rubber.

Blocking is just superb! Blade angle needs to be sufficiently closed but it just soaks up the spin and speed and sends it back.


I'd concur with this with the Blue. Giving the rubber a little more "air" was certainly the adjustment I had to make. Blocking is very good, although I suspect the red may be even better than the blue (the red is the softer sponge right?).

The blue max sponge looks (from memory) about the same as the green rasant sponge for thickness but then Rasant is 2.1 vs Regalis at 2.2. My mind's eye might not be good enough to see the difference though :lol:

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Black rubber is regalis red max
Red rubber is Tibhar Evolution mxp 2.1-2.2mm

To me the regalis sponge looks a shade thinner. Not sure if the photo conveys this?

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Black rubber is also Tibhar Evolution mxp 2.1-2.2mm
Red rubber is victas v15 limber 2.0

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In this case the victas looks a shade thinner, as it should.

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If you have a flatbed scanner, set the resolution to 600 dpi and put the edge of the racket up against the platen. Crop the resulting scan, you'll get a nice, detailed photo.

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To my eye on the greatest zoom they look about same (Regalis and Evolution), but the Regalis sponge is clearly less dense. I think the blue sponge is much denser than the red.

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To my eye on the greatest zoom they look about same (Regalis and Evolution), but the Regalis sponge is clearly less dense. I think the blue sponge is much denser than the red.

Very difficult to tell, given that the difference between a 2mm and max should probably only be approx 5 to10% (0.1-0.2mm). Doesn't help that the evolution is red sponge red rubber either! It's not that important, main point is that if you're unsure between 2mm and max regalis red, you may well be fine with max.

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I've been going through the Regalis reviews to see if it really is similar to Nexy Karis. What I don't see is the assertions that it's something entirely new in rubber design, which has been said of Karis. Also nothing about amazing control. Regalis is easily available, not the case for Karis. Hmmmm...

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