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Author:  Japsican [ 04 Aug 2018, 03:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Modern rubber with THIN sponge 1.0mm or less?
As an aside, I am in love with the large pore sponged 729 Super Fx in 1.5mm for chopping. It's so dampening, yet fast.... I beat a penholder I typicality lose to chopping double inverted with it on the backhand. I then proceeded to get spanked by my practice partner, except for the last game. which revealed to me that I am not quite dialed in with when the rubber is fast and when it is not. Nonetheless, I really like the rubber. Best way I can describe it, if Reflectoid and Victas V>401 had a baby, it would be 729 SuperFX large pore in blue sponge. It's modern-ish and chinese-ish.

I think I want to try a thicker sponge than 1.5 though for more topspin consistency...like maybe 1.8mm. I also want to try a 2.0 reflectoid on the BH. I've only ever used 2.0mm reflectoid on the FH.
Author:  pgpg [ 04 Aug 2018, 04:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Modern rubber with THIN sponge 1.0mm or less?
Japsican wrote:
As an aside, I am in love with the large pore sponged 729 Super Fx in 1.5mm for chopping. It's so dampening, yet fast.... I beat a penholder I typicality lose to chopping double inverted with it on the backhand. I then proceeded to get spanked by my practice partner, except for the last game. which revealed to me that I am not quite dialed in with when the rubber is fast and when it is not. Nonetheless, I really like the rubber. Best way I can describe it, if Reflectoid and Victas V>401 had a baby, it would be 729 SuperFX large pore in blue sponge. It's modern-ish and chinese-ish.

I think I want to try a thicker sponge than 1.5 though for more topspin consistency...like maybe 1.8mm. I also want to try a 2.0 reflectoid on the BH. I've only ever used 2.0mm reflectoid on the FH.


You know you can twiddle, right? :)

Where do you get this rubber: "729 SuperFX large pore in blue sponge" - seems like a very specific combo, and your description of its properties seems to be intriguing.

As far as dual nature of it: slow vs. fast - I ran into similar scenario with Reflectoid on Barricade. Flat hits don't make it over the net (like hitting with a pillow), but when you brush the ball it actually flies ok. Almost like a training aid IMHO.
Author:  iskandar taib [ 06 Aug 2018, 13:17 ]
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/729-Sup ... 99591.html

(Cheapest price at the moment.) Goes as low as 1.0mm (only red available at this time though). The blue sponge only comes with the black topsheet, the red has a red sponge. Not all thicknesses available in all colors at the moment, but as Eacheng always tells me, keep checking if they don't have something, their stock changes from day to day and hour to hour.

Iskandar
Author:  Japsican [ 07 Aug 2018, 01:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Modern rubber with THIN sponge 1.0mm or less?
pgpg wrote:
You know you can twiddle, right? :)

Haha, yeah. I was playing Long pips and modern/classic d with the reflectoid. This was years ago. Way before I fell in love with 1.0mm reflectoid for classic D. I twiddled, but only on pushes back then. Almost never chopped with the inverted on the backhand, and only blocked for anything topspin on the backhand. I still might have been toying with the seemiller grip too, which worked well for me.

pgpg wrote:
Where do you get this rubber: "729 SuperFX large pore in blue sponge" - seems like a very specific combo, and your description of its properties seems to be intriguing.

As far as dual nature of it: slow vs. fast - I ran into similar scenario with Reflectoid on Barricade. Flat hits don't make it over the net (like hitting with a pillow), but when you brush the ball it actually flies ok. Almost like a training aid IMHO.

Isk got it. That's where I purchased it. Reflectoid can be fast too, but it's due to the pips and brushing on loops. With the SuperFX Blue sponge (or red sponge if it's red), if feel like the sponge itself is springy on forward strokes, but dampening on passive ones, like Victas 401.
Author:  PRW [ 07 Aug 2018, 08:56 ]
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dazzler wrote:
Joola Tango def was the one that worked ,1.2 sponge was used by some quality veteran defenders I know in higher divisions,one bought up a load of sheets before it was discontinued and last time I saw him he was fretting as his stock was almost gone
Joola should bring it back or an alternative I think there is a demand still.

haha - I cornered the market - I have 17 sheets in stock... :)
Author:  pgpg [ 07 Aug 2018, 11:45 ]
Post subject:  Re: Modern rubber with THIN sponge 1.0mm or less?
PRW wrote:
dazzler wrote:
Joola Tango def was the one that worked ,1.2 sponge was used by some quality veteran defenders I know in higher divisions,one bought up a load of sheets before it was discontinued and last time I saw him he was fretting as his stock was almost gone
Joola should bring it back or an alternative I think there is a demand still.

haha - I cornered the market - I have 17 sheets in stock... :)


And you even don't seem to use it, per your profile signature :)
Author:  PRW [ 07 Aug 2018, 12:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: Modern rubber with THIN sponge 1.0mm or less?
pgpg wrote:
PRW wrote:
dazzler wrote:
Joola Tango def was the one that worked ,1.2 sponge was used by some quality veteran defenders I know in higher divisions,one bought up a load of sheets before it was discontinued and last time I saw him he was fretting as his stock was almost gone
Joola should bring it back or an alternative I think there is a demand still.

haha - I cornered the market - I have 17 sheets in stock... :)


And you even don't seem to use it, per your profile signature :)

haha - exactly right - it's a preemptive strike, to prevent others from using it against me! :D
They are worth more than Bitcoin...
Author:  iskandar taib [ 07 Aug 2018, 17:55 ]
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Japsican wrote:
With the SuperFX Blue sponge (or red sponge if it's red), if feel like the sponge itself is springy on forward strokes, but dampening on passive ones, like Victas 401.


Doesn't this sound like what balsa blades play like?

Iskandar
Author:  Bobv [ 31 Aug 2018, 02:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: Modern rubber with THIN sponge 1.0mm or less?
So, I just got the 729 SUPER FX-C (CONTROL) 1.0 mm for my backhand on my DefPlay Senso blade. I play modern defense/ all round, and found it very spinny for chopping and pushes, but it just did not have enough gas to play attacking shots for me, so I am back to Air Defenders on my backhand.
Author:  dazzler [ 31 Aug 2018, 04:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Modern rubber with THIN sponge 1.0mm or less?
Bobv wrote:
So, I just got the 729 SUPER FX-C (CONTROL) 1.0 mm for my backhand on my DefPlay Senso blade. I play modern defense/ all round, and found it very spinny for chopping and pushes, but it just did not have enough gas to play attacking shots for me, so I am back to Air Defenders on my backhand.

Recomend Donic slice 40 (1.5 sponge)for this type of strategy,on Defplay very good looping and also backspin rubber on b/h,they should have done it in 1.8 for f/h rather than the new slice 40 cd which is more like a dead chinese sticky rubber
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