OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
Live Table Tennis Videos Table Tennis News Live OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 26 Mar 2017, 09:04


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 69 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: 27 Dec 2016, 11:08 
Offline
Ninja of the Holy Chtchet
Ninja of the Holy Chtchet
User avatar

Joined: 28 Feb 2014, 13:38
Posts: 1571
Location: Washington DC
Has thanked: 353 times
Been thanked: 263 times
Blade: Sword 309 Chop
FH: Air Defender (1.5mm)
BH: Cloud & Fog III (OX)
I think the logic of that has some merit. Lower level reviews are not without value. The needs of a 1200 level player are different from a 1500 and a 1800, etc.

Still, the level should be made clear so readers know what the words are relative to so a 2500 level looper isn't getting equipment advice from a 1000 level penhold push blocker.

_________________
Blog ⇝ "Holy Chtchet!"Comprehensive Thin Inverted Rubbers DBRating: 1631
"Don't try to win. Just try to play a beautiful game. Attackers try to win." -- leatherback


Top
 Profile  
 


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!

PostPosted: 27 Dec 2016, 19:09 
Offline
Iron Pips
Iron Pips
User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 22:07
Posts: 3282
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Has thanked: 465 times
Been thanked: 236 times
Blade: DMS Revolution
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: DMS MegaBlock 1.5
Japsican wrote:
I think the logic of that has some merit. Lower level reviews are not without value. The needs of a 1200 level player are different from a 1500 and a 1800, etc.

Still, the level should be made clear so readers know what the words are relative to so a 2500 level looper isn't getting equipment advice from a 1000 level penhold push blocker.


Should we all ad an estimated USATT ranking level to our signature? Like they have at Noppentest...

_________________
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack | Serving techniques and strategy section


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 27 Dec 2016, 23:30 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 23 Oct 2013, 00:48
Posts: 811
Location: Boston
Has thanked: 214 times
Been thanked: 154 times
Blade: Defplay
FH: Bluefire M2 2mm
BH: Easy P 1mm
Def-attack wrote:
Japsican wrote:
I think the logic of that has some merit. Lower level reviews are not without value. The needs of a 1200 level player are different from a 1500 and a 1800, etc.

Still, the level should be made clear so readers know what the words are relative to so a 2500 level looper isn't getting equipment advice from a 1000 level penhold push blocker.


Should we all ad an estimated USATT ranking level to our signature? Like they have at Noppentest...


That would be nice - the only challenge is coming up with one for folks outside US (we did have a dedicated thread for this, though...).

_________________
USATT: 1758 | League: 1827


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 28 Dec 2016, 08:16 
Offline
Iron Pips
Iron Pips
User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 22:07
Posts: 3282
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Has thanked: 465 times
Been thanked: 236 times
Blade: DMS Revolution
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: DMS MegaBlock 1.5
I had a short go with YRD today. I changed it after 15 minutes. Not for me. Way too low throw and too little grip on the top sheet. Also too hard. I guess if tuned it would be nice but I wanted a real sticky top sheet. I put on an old Hurricane 8 that was bolsted with Falco long almost a year ago. No boosting left but sponge and top sheet is a little softer than non bolsted version. I kept it for the whole session but I am not sure where to go now. Nice with tacky for short game, serves, brush looping... But it feels a little dead... but for my game, where it is now, I guess it is the best.

_________________
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack | Serving techniques and strategy section


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 28 Dec 2016, 18:24 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 22 Dec 2016, 16:35
Posts: 70
Has thanked: 32 times
Been thanked: 11 times
Blade: TSP Versal CP
FH: Yasaka Rising Dragon
BH: Yasaka Rising Dragon
Def-attack can I know what blade you tried YRD out on ? Stiga Carbonado ?

Good to know that DHS H8 can be boosted :-) I had some bad experience boosting DHS H3-50 Mid-Hard and Skyline3-60 Mid-Hard. It doesn't work and sponge becomes very mushy :P After the boost wears off though both the sheets perform very very well. I haven't tried boosting YRD, but I do have an old sheet of Xiom Omega V Tour MAX - red ( it has the black carbo-sponge which is similar to YRD ).

Has anyone boosted XOVT ? Any comments on the effect / reaction to various boosters ?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 28 Dec 2016, 19:22 
Offline
Iron Pips
Iron Pips
User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 22:07
Posts: 3282
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Has thanked: 465 times
Been thanked: 236 times
Blade: DMS Revolution
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: DMS MegaBlock 1.5
man_iii wrote:
Def-attack can I know what blade you tried YRD out on ? Stiga Carbonado ?

Good to know that DHS H8 can be boosted :-) I had some bad experience boosting DHS H3-50 Mid-Hard and Skyline3-60 Mid-Hard. It doesn't work and sponge becomes very mushy :P After the boost wears off though both the sheets perform very very well. I haven't tried boosting YRD, but I do have an old sheet of Xiom Omega V Tour MAX - red ( it has the black carbo-sponge which is similar to YRD ).

Has anyone boosted XOVT ? Any comments on the effect / reaction to various boosters ?

Yes, Carbonado 190.
Yes, H8 responds well to boosting.

_________________
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack | Serving techniques and strategy section


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 28 Dec 2016, 20:48 
Offline
Senior member

Joined: 02 Feb 2009, 23:45
Posts: 194
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 42 times
Blade: Zoom Balance
FH: Omega V Asia
BH: VS>402 Limber
Def-attack wrote:
I wanted a real sticky top sheet


And herein lies the rub. Most hybrids try to fit into a middle ground between chinese and euro properties. A mix of tacky and mechanical grip, but lower tack than traditional chinese rubbers. Or a softer, porous sponge with a more elastic topsheet to mimic a boosted feel. So if you are a player who relies on heavy tack, or a rock-hard sponge, you might be disappointed.

That said, there is some variation in the hybrid market. Target National is one of the tackier ones (the black sheets I had were tackier than Rising Dragon), and Hybrid K1 Plus has quite the hard sponge. But still - each player has their own requirements, and sometimes they don't even know what properties they are relying on until they try something different.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 29 Dec 2016, 02:15 
Offline
Hurricane Lover
Hurricane Lover
User avatar

Joined: 09 Mar 2008, 19:19
Posts: 2269
Location: Indonesia
Has thanked: 111 times
Been thanked: 90 times
Blade: DHS Fang Bo 2
FH: DHS Hurricane 3
BH: Sword Dance Med Pips
good one Andy!

_________________
instagram: rokphishtt


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 29 Dec 2016, 02:36 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2013, 11:04
Posts: 585
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 70 times
Blade: DMS Destroyer
FH: XIOM Vega China max
BH: Transformer 1.5 mm
PRW wrote:
haha - I just bought a sheet... as well as a used Sanwei Target National (thanks Matt P.) Will report back!


have you tried Sanwei Target National yet? Can you compare it with H3N?

_________________
My TT blog
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 06 Jan 2017, 04:45 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 15 Jul 2014, 18:39
Posts: 33
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 0 time
leatherback wrote:
rokphish2 wrote:
Okay, thanks!

Oh, by the way, there's a new(er) one, Shining Dragon. Have you tried it or will you in the near future?

Shining dragon is apparently softer, if it gets much softer it will move away from the similarities to a Chinese rubber....

I just ordered 3 sheets so that will last me about 6 months and I may give shining dragon a try then!

Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk


I played both with Black topsheet: Shining Dragon is much harder than Rising Dragon, not softer.
Rising Dragon is fast and has a high throw.
Shining Dragon is very tacky, slower and has a lower throw. It is more than a classic chinese rubber, but faster.

With red topsheet I only played Shining Dragon, very tacky and very soft!!


Last edited by haushamerschuah on 06 Jan 2017, 23:13, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 06 Jan 2017, 05:48 
Offline
Call me Shrek!
User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2011, 12:38
Posts: 827
Location: California, USA
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 34 times
111Iceman111 wrote:
PRW wrote:
haha - I just bought a sheet... as well as a used Sanwei Target National (thanks Matt P.) Will report back!


have you tried Sanwei Target National yet? Can you compare it with H3N?

I tried out the STN for a day or two, and was impressed. I then changed to the YSD, and was not impressed, then fairly impressed, and then not so impressed! On serves and short game, and full loops, it works very well for me - but when I am caught having to improvise a shot , I find the shot just dies on me - because I am so used to having the soft sponge of the 05fx being able to hold the ball for long enough to create a shot. Not the rubber's fault, just a factor of the way I play.

I will put the STN back on. Blade is Timo Bill ZLC. Will let you know!

_________________
Blade: TB ZLC
Forehand: Tenergy 05FX Max
Backhand: Tenergy 05FX Max


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2017, 02:29 
Offline
Call me Shrek!
User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2011, 12:38
Posts: 827
Location: California, USA
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 34 times
PRW wrote:
111Iceman111 wrote:
PRW wrote:
haha - I just bought a sheet... as well as a used Sanwei Target National (thanks Matt P.) Will report back!


have you tried Sanwei Target National yet? Can you compare it with H3N?

I tried out the STN for a day or two, and was impressed. I then changed to the YSD, and was not impressed, then fairly impressed, and then not so impressed! On serves and short game, and full loops, it works very well for me - but when I am caught having to improvise a shot , I find the shot just dies on me - because I am so used to having the soft sponge of the 05fx being able to hold the ball for long enough to create a shot. Not the rubber's fault, just a factor of the way I play.

I will put the STN back on. Blade is Timo Bill ZLC. Will let you know!


ok, I put the STN back on last night. Again, I was impressed with this rubber. At the moment, I am playing with 05FX max on the forehand - so the immediate difference is the STN has shorter, very spinny serves, easier drop shots, and very crisp flicks. It doesn't have the ultimate power of the 05FX loop through (for me).

Compared to H3 Neo (not National - I haven't tried National), STN is slightly spinnier (has slightly more tack), definitely faster, and good control - doesn't seem to "drop off" as much when blocking. If I was to use a rubber other than Tenergy/ Yasaka Rakza/ comparable tensor, I would look very seriously at this.

_________________
Blade: TB ZLC
Forehand: Tenergy 05FX Max
Backhand: Tenergy 05FX Max


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2017, 07:20 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2013, 11:04
Posts: 585
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 70 times
Blade: DMS Destroyer
FH: XIOM Vega China max
BH: Transformer 1.5 mm
hm, STN sounds promising for a substitute of H3N then... :up:

i will definitely have to get one to see for myself...from where did you get yours?

_________________
My TT blog
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2017, 08:02 
Offline
Call me Shrek!
User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2011, 12:38
Posts: 827
Location: California, USA
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 34 times
111Iceman111 wrote:
hm, STN sounds promising for a substitute of H3N then... :up:

i will definitely have to get one to see for myself...from where did you get yours?

I bought it from Matt Pimple, as per this thread... viewtopic.php?f=10&t=29947&hilit=sanwei+target#p318400

_________________
Blade: TB ZLC
Forehand: Tenergy 05FX Max
Backhand: Tenergy 05FX Max


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 13 Feb 2017, 23:32 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 22 Dec 2016, 16:35
Posts: 70
Has thanked: 32 times
Been thanked: 11 times
Blade: TSP Versal CP
FH: Yasaka Rising Dragon
BH: Yasaka Rising Dragon
I have some strange news to report. I cleaned up YRD both Black and Red with water along with the non-sticky sheets. I was in a hurry and dint wait for the rubber or sheet to dry fully and just stuck it and left it for a week.

Today I took off the protector sheets it was like a vacuum had formed ! Extremely difficult to take off the foils. No water to be found anywhere.

:punch: YRD both sides is now picking up the ball for 2+ seconds !!! That is medium tacky in my book!

What the Hell happened ??? can someone explain pls ??? :lol: :devil: Is water the MAGIC formula to add tackiness to rubbers ???? Placed in a sealed and dry environment causes rubbers to become super tacky by the time they completely dry ???? :o :rofl:


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 69 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: haggisv and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2012 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




Don't forget to 'LIKE' our forum on Facebook if you enjoy the content: