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I have a sheet of M+ in max (the harder variant) and M in 2.0. Regalis red is the softer regalis, blue the harder. I have never used blue. My feeling is that Karis plays a lot flatter than regalis, and the catapult is lesser. This would explain why nextlevel enjoys it for counterlooping so much. Karis is clearly more linear....the M+ in some ways reminds me of gambler outlaw.... Although the quality is far better.

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Timo Boll ALC ST
FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P Max
BH Tibhar Evolution FX-S 1.8
185g

Sorry, to be clear I am comparing Karis M to regalis red.

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Timo Boll ALC ST
FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P Max
BH Tibhar Evolution FX-S 1.8
185g

I have that same line on both of my blades that have Karis M. Have no idea what it is.

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Butterfly Viscaria Black tag
2.2 mm Nexy Karis M on FH and BH

I think Karis M would be really anemic on an all-wood blade. I think it needs a pretty fast composite blade unless your are a defender. I use it on a Viscaria. It would be quite controllable even on a blade faster than that I think.

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Butterfly Viscaria Black tag
2.2 mm Nexy Karis M on FH and BH

I meant - are the Karis M and M+ topsheets visibly different? I haven't photographed either, but some cutoffs are coming (forget which ones). I could use Regalis cutoffs, though.

Iskandar

Still not arrived yet? You have red M and black M+ coming to you. The topsheets are identical AFAICS.

Yeah, they still haven't arrived. I've had packages disappear, but hopefully this one's just delayed. As soon as I get it I'll photograph them.

Iskandar

OK, here you go. Compare with the KTL Pro XT.







To me it looks like Pro XT is thinner with shorter pips. Might be interesting to compare with other "thin sheet" rubbers such as Bryce Speed, Rasanter, Regalis and Mantra. If anyone has cutoffs to contribute let me know.

Iskandar

Interesting. Where does one buy this KTL rubber?

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Butterfly Viscaria Black tag
2.2 mm Nexy Karis M on FH and BH

These three rubbers share the same topsheet:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Sh ... 34773.html



https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KTL-Pro ... 00697.html



https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KTL-Pro ... 50655.html



"Plain-old", and "Silver Dragon" are available in 2.0 and 2.2mm sponge (unusual for Chinese rubber) and Green Dragon is available in 1.5, 1.8. 2.0 and 2.2mm sponge (VERY unusual for Chinese rubber). I've bought "Plain Old" and "Green Dragon", they're both very lightweight - 53.2 and 47.8g uncut. Can't remember hitting much with Plain Old but Green Dragon struck me as being slowish, a control rubber, has a big-pore sponge:

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=25211&start=240#p297175

I suspect (but haven't confirmed) that the corresponding Pro XP rubbers (non-tacky) have the same or similar topsheets:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KTL-Pro ... 13213.html



https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Sh ... 97208.html



https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Sh ... 35847.html



As with their tacky cousins, available in 2.0 and 2.2mm, plus 1.5 and 1.8mm in the case of the Red Dragon.

Funny how this "thin topsheet" thing works out, here we have relatively slow rubbers, and then you have Bryce Speed, which is supposed to be ultra-fast.

Iskandar

Compare Karis to other rubbers.



















In case you're wondering where the incredible photographs are coming from (as opposed to my not-so-good scans) - there's a Russian (or could be another Slavic language..) forum. If you're into rubber photos, there are between 100 and 200 here..

http://tt-maximum.com/forum/index.php/topic,4916.0.html

In any case - I don't think Karis has the shortest pips in the room - that honor goes to 729-40S. H3 also has a pretty thin topsheet cap (the pips are longer).

Iskandar

Wow - does 729-40S even HAVE pips? Just looks like a lumpy topsheet! Amazingly small.

Not to mention it's relatively cheap:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-sh ... 93118.html





Maybe I'll get a sheet - since it claims to be a "backhand rubber" I'll get it in red.. Sounds like a blocker's rubber.

Also available for considerably more with German sponge:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RITC-72 ... 72293.html



"“729-40S” is one of the new type cover rubber manufactured in 2002, for the Chinese National Table Tennis Team. German sponge, which is the best one in the world, is also used in its production. So is the most characteristic cover rubber of 729, which improves the speed, elasticity, friction quotiety, circulation and attack of the ball." (Really??)

and Japanese sponge:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-sh ... 52928.html



"Brand new rubber specially designed for players of national team. The combination of frosted rubber, high-elasticity rubber, exquisite soft Japanese sponge and SENSOR technology brings a super handle for players. The energy-saving jointing technology makes the rubber integrate with sponge particles so as to make the inner energy burst out in an instant. It has characteristics of permanent viscosity and good ball controlling, which for the backhand players."

More technology that rhymes with Tensor..

By the way - in my previous post, to get a closer look, click on the photos. They expand considerably.

Iskandar

Ah... which was the new thin topsheet Butterfly rubber? Was it Bryce Speed or just Bryce Highspeed??





The Bryce Speed sponge looks old-fashioned, so I think this is an older rubber. Besides, it doesn't have the "target" cover.

Compare to Karis M again:



Looks like Bryce Highspeed has the thinner top layer but longer pips, while Karis M has the thinner total topsheet thickness. Very different from Pro XT despite all three having "thin topsheets".

So far, no Regalis or Mantra on the Russian website. Or Rasanters. Will check back there often, it'll save me some work if they get around to it. I suspect these photos come out of China (and I'll bet that Chinese text on the photos is someone's watermark.. or says "Don't Post Elsewhere".. ).

Iskandar