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Going by that reasoning, how do you know it's a Tensor too?
Just saying "I've used it" is hardly evidence. I'd be more inclined to believe Geoff, if that was your reasoning, since he's a vendor/distributor...

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Going by that reasoning, how do you know it's a Tensor too?
Just saying "I've used it" is hardly evidence. I'd be more inclined to believe Geoff, if that was your reasoning, since he's a vendor/distributor...


which is precisely why i said his reasoning was as solid as mine.... because what he's saying, Pryde is not a tensor, Platin, Gold Silver aren't tensors, and neither are nimbus and sinus


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I don't see why your reasoning is as solid as his.

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why are you being evasive? Do donic, nittaku, or tibhar make tensors or not? Do they have the tensor logo?

Geoff has as little prove as i do. The LOGO determines tensor status?? lol, and since you believe him, all those above should be off the list until "proven"


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dalamchops wrote:
why are you being evasive?


Why are you being so insistent?
Why should I believe you over Geoff?
It's not like 20 people have stood up and said that it's definitely a Tensor. Until a consensus is reached, it's your word vs his and I'm 100% sure Geoff has handled more tensors than you.



In summary:
-You didn't read what geoff said properly, or you're choosing to misinterpret.
-You didn't read what I said properly either.
-I'd believe Geoff over you, since he has higher credentials.

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I don't know why any manufacturer would make a Tensor rubber and NOT put the Tensor logo on the rubber or cover... it's a selling point and no doubt they pay extra for the tensor technology...

Other rubbers might have speed glue effect as good, identical or even better than the latest Tensors, but only ESN can decide to call it a Tensor, as they own the technology...

Tensor is NOT a type of rubber (even though we common refer to it as such), it's a trademark of ESN, so even if another manufacturers make an identical rubber in their own factory, they cannot call it a Tensor...

It's not worth arguing about really.... it's just terminology in the end... we all know what it means...

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I don't know why any manufacturer would make a Tensor rubber and NOT put the Tensor logo on the rubber or cover... it's a selling point and no doubt they pay extra for the tensor technology...


I have no doubt that Donic pays a premium so that they can call it "Formula"

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Good point... didn't even think of that!

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it's not even my opinion anymore... these are people that have USED moristo and call them tensors.

http://www.tabletennisdb.com/table-tenn ... risto-2000

http://www.tabletennis.gr/equipment/details.asp?pid=387

Here's the list of tensors i've used in the past year.

3 x of F3
2 x of Xiom True Innovation
1 x max leverage
2 x platin soft
2 x platin
1 x gold
1 x sinus
2 x Nimbus sound
2 x xtend
(1 x moristo2000)
2 x roxon 450
1 x express 1
1 x express 2
1 x pryde

but i digress, a yankee is hard to win in this place :)


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I give up. There's no arguing with some people...

You're so sure it is one and won't be told otherwise...

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I give up. There's no arguing with some people...

You're so sure it is one and won't be told otherwise...


It's hard to change my mind when i've actually used it. You wouldn't believe it if 10000 people told you F3 was not a tensor, and you've actually compared it 1st hand w/ the tensors with a logo from andro.


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You wouldn't believe it if 10000 people told you F3 was not a tensor, and you've actually compared it 1st hand w/ the tensors with a logo from andro.


Maybe, but your original statement that because it's German, it has to be a Tensor made me doubt pretty much everything you said about it.

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As i said, you need to decide how you define tensor. If you go strictly by the marketing terms used, then there are some rubbers that need to be removed from the list.

I prefer going by physical characteristics, and by my definition moristo is a tensor. It's made by ESN, has a pretensioned sponge, and plays almost exactly the same as the desto f-2. If you called ESN and asked them if moristo were a tensor, they'd probably say yes.

Also the idea that donic would pay a premium to call it "formula" sounds really strange. Why should donic pay someone else to use a word that's not trademarked to someone else?


This is also quite surprising:
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Correct. There is only one rubber-making factory in Japan who makes for all the brands.

Are you allowed to say which factory this is? My insider information is contrary to this.

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i think 729 lightning is a tensor... you cannot get lightning speed without speed glue effect.

in fact that's why it sells so cheap, ... they want to popularize it.

it doesn't have a tensor logo.. but i think that may be a trick... they don't want competitors to find out. :)

and it may not have the popping out effect, then anybody would find out that it is a tensor.

in fact, if it is not a tensor, why would they even call it the lightest rubber?

silver... if you don't agree we will have a poll..


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