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Hello there. I've seen Globe 999 (normal, non T version), having different sponge hardness like regular 43-45 deg version, or softer so-called E-version with 37-39 hardness. Wonder does those degrees refer to DHS or ESN scale of hardness?
Example if e version: https://www.schuett-sport.de/tischtenni ... /globe-999

Neither, they use yet another scale, used by most Chinese manufacturers, except DHS. 43deg is pretty hard.

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Got it thanks. So 37-39 should be roughly around 47 ESN?

I think it will be softer than 47deg. Someone posted a table hat compares the values, somewhere on this forum. I'm not sure where to find it, but hopefully someone else here remembers?

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Is it this one: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=23663

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I think that's the Euro -> DHS scale. I've seen another somewhere that included the other Chinese scale used by Yinhe, which appears to be the same as the likes of 729.
Once we find it, I'll sticky it somewhere so that we don't have to look so far next time.

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The image you posted at that thread said Yinhe in Chinese characters. The first two red characters in Chinese are Yinhe.

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Yinhe proved to use Shore-A hardness scale. We have tested Yinhe rubbers a lot.

I have wondered about the sponge hardness of the Globe rubbers myself.
I don't think that the conversion chart fits these rubbers.
I have played the 999T medium-hard (43-45°) for a long time. That is beyond that chart and would be close to 60° Euro. That's simply not the case for that rubber, it's much softer than that.
I have wondered whether the numbers given by Schuett are already converted and are not in chinese terms, but the fact that those number are stamped on the sponge would suggest otherwise.
A 43-45° Globe 999 is way softer than an Apollo in the same range.

I've never tried Globe 999 per se, though I've used many sheets from the now defunct "999 Corporation" (usually labeled "999T" - came in all sorts of packaging, though the top sheets were all the same). I can't say this applies to the Globe variety, but the 999T rubbers had sponge that was, for lack of a better description, somewhat leather-like. Sort of hard-ish and less elastic. The entire package was a little too slow for me, but it was the only rubber that was usable when humidity was super high. Most were labeled "42" or "44" when it came to hardness, this sort of fits the scale 729, Yinhe, Kokutaku, Palio etc. use (most cheap rubber is labeled "42"), though the calibration of the scale might be different across brands. Incidentally, it used to be (and probably still is true) that you can get the Globe 999 topsheet mated to Japanese sponge, sold by Nittaku (at Japanese prices, which is why I've never tried it).

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Thx for answers. Would be nice if some of globe999 users could compare hardness of their sponges to ESN.
Also there are Globe999 and Globe999T on japan sponge. Is it softer compared to regular one? On some sites it is marked as hybrid rubber does that mean jap ver is a tensor sponge?

I'd say they're harder than anything I've ever seen on a ESN rubber. Not that I've tried those super hard, 50+ degree ones yet. The true "hybrid" ones with the Japanese sponge are sold under Nittaku.

Iskandar

I found this posted in another thread:


Even this doesn't look quite right to me. Globe rubbers are usually between 36deg to 42deg, where 36deg is quite soft, 42deg quite firm.

It should also be noted that with the tacky topsheet like Globe 99, you need a firmer sponge to get the speed, or else it's just going to feel very slow and mushy. So just because you like a certain hardness on an ESN rubber, does not mean the same hardness is suiitable for Globe.

The Japanese sponge version of Globe 999 is just the same topsheet with a higher quality Japanese sponge. The same hardness ratings apply. The Japanese sponge feels more lively and springy, and used to respond better to speed glue and tuners/boosters.

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Are those verions of Globe999 with japan sponge =tensor sponges or just more lively then regular?

Most likely conventional Japanese sponge (like you'd find under Sriver or Mark V). Tensor rubbers, strictly speaking, are only made in Germany. Similar Japanese rubbers would be, I suppose, "Tensoroids".

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