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PostPosted: 21 Nov 2011, 06:58 
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Given that 'inverted' rubber derived from the reversal of old fashioned pimpled rubber...what happens if you try the reverse...

Today I separated (using the iron method) some topsheets from some old 'past it' sheets of inverted that were going to be thrown out.

I found the sheets of short pip rubber I had created pretty playable-not dissimilar to Dr Evil.

Obviously not legal to play with in any 'proper' event but they might come in handy if my club plans to have another fun hardbat night: especially if we play it in a bigger venue than last time-and need a lot more bats.

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I wondered what that would play like. Of course, 729 stuff is still pretty cheap, but this is an interesting recycling method, I have to say.

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Interesting idea. I imagine there would be a great variation in the way each "recycled" rubber would play depending on what it was in past life?

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I think you'll find that a sheet of 804 glued on in reverse, would play virtually identical to Dr Evil, apart from the basesheet being thicker.

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the best results have been from a couple of sheets off an old
Joola Festner premade-rubber is called GX 75

glued the two sheets of 'reversed' Joola rubber to a DHS Magician Allround blade-it played pretty well. Like Dr Evil, not as much spin as Friendship 802 but enough to play rolls and slow 'hardbat' loops.

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haggisv wrote:
I think you'll find that a sheet of 804 glued on in reverse, would play virtually identical to Dr Evil, apart from the basesheet being thicker.


I doubt it very much. Zeropong rates 804 as spin = 0 and Dr. Evil as spin = 5. Now I know that these things are very subjective and highly non-scientific, but I don't see how that much of a spread could occur unless the two sheets used very different materials.

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I think you'll find that a sheet of 804 glued on in reverse, would play virtually identical to Dr Evil, apart from the basesheet being thicker.


I doubt it very much. Zeropong rates 804 as spin = 0 and Dr. Evil as spin = 5. Now I know that these things are very subjective and highly non-scientific, but I don't see how that much of a spread could occur unless the two sheets used very different materials.

The 804 definitely can generate a significant amount of spin, so spin=0 is not very meaningful, but it's less than most inverted. Dr Evil would generate among the least amount of spin among the other short pips. Of course the spin rating would be quite different even if it was the same material, as inverted would always generate more grip due to the larger contact area.

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haggisv wrote:
wturber wrote:
haggisv wrote:
I think you'll find that a sheet of 804 glued on in reverse, would play virtually identical to Dr Evil, apart from the basesheet being thicker.


I doubt it very much. Zeropong rates 804 as spin = 0 and Dr. Evil as spin = 5. Now I know that these things are very subjective and highly non-scientific, but I don't see how that much of a spread could occur unless the two sheets used very different materials.

The 804 definitely can generate a significant amount of spin, so spin=0 is not very meaningful, but it's less than most inverted. Dr Evil would generate among the least amount of spin among the other short pips. Of course the spin rating would be quite different even if it was the same material, as inverted would always generate more grip due to the larger contact area.


I don't know of any player I've faced using anti-spin rubber who can generate anything close to the spin that I can generate with Dr. Evil. So if 804 reversed is as spinny as Dr. Evil, I'd be very surprised. But if it is one of the more spinny anti-spin rubbers, I suppose that is possible. Kinda hard to see how they call 804 anti-spin then.

It has been said that Dr. Evil is made using anti-spin rubber. But that simply is not true.

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Ask anyone that's used the 804, and they'll tell you it's not really an antispin rubber. Considerably more grip than any other one on the market, and with a regular (HRS) sponge.

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A sheet of 'hardbat' rubber made from a sheet of Inverted from a Schildkröt Pre-made.
Using the 'ironing' technique this one seperated very easily from the sponge with virtually zero
sponge remaining on the pips.

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plays nicely I reckon-less spin than 802 but enough to play rolls etc.
Perfectly good for our club hardbat night anyway.

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