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PostPosted: 15 Sep 2013, 23:57 
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Hello,

I'm thinking of going back to hardbat for a bit and am wondering if there's a favorite or preferred rubber for choppers? The only hardbat rubber I've tried is Gambler Peacekeeper. Is there something better? Thanks!

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I checked on www.hardbat.com, and these are the approved rubbers:

Leyland ("Hock" rubber)
Andro Classic
Butterfly Orthodox
Dunlop Barna Original
Friendship RITC "Dr Evil"
Gambler Peace Keeper OX
ATP Reisman, ATP "Leland Era"
Valor Premier
TSP Millitall
Yasaka A-1-2, A-1, or A2
Yasaka Cobalt

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PK is almost like anti, imho. The spiniest hardbat-approved rubber is generally thought to be the Valor Premier from what I've heard from hardbat tournament players in Norcal: http://www.valortabletennis.com/Hardbat ... m?page=all

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glennholder wrote:
I checked on http://www.hardbat.com, and these are the approved rubbers:

Leyland ("Hock" rubber)
Andro Classic
Butterfly Orthodox
Dunlop Barna Original
Friendship RITC "Dr Evil"
Gambler Peace Keeper OX
ATP Reisman, ATP "Leland Era"
Valor Premier
TSP Millitall
Yasaka A-1-2, A-1, or A2
Yasaka Cobalt

:Chop:

These are the hard rubbers approved in the USA to play in hardbat events, but there are other hard rubbers that can be used to chop. And if his location is true, gaijinjoe lives in Japan.

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Francis wrote:
glennholder wrote:
I checked on http://www.hardbat.com, and these are the approved rubbers:
Leyland ("Hock" rubber)
Andro Classic
Butterfly Orthodox
Dunlop Barna Original
Friendship RITC "Dr Evil"
Gambler Peace Keeper OX
ATP Reisman, ATP "Leland Era"
Valor Premier
TSP Millitall
Yasaka A-1-2, A-1, or A2
Yasaka Cobalt

:Chop:

These are the hard rubbers approved in the USA to play in hardbat events, but there are other hard rubbers that can be used to chop. And if his location is true, gaijinjoe lives in Japan.


Exactly so. So the OP might want to define a bit better what he means by "hardbat." That said, from the US list I think Andro Classic is probably the best rubber for chopping in that it exhibits some mild long pips behavior. But frankly, any rubber on that list is pretty decent for chopping.

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Yasaka Cobalt a (used by Scott Johnson, world's top hardbatter). ITTF-approved, not USATT-approved for hardbat.

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mynamenotbob wrote:
Yasaka Cobalt a (used by Scott Johnson, world's top hardbatter). ITTF-approved, not USATT-approved for hardbat.

Yasaka Cobalt IS on the USATT approved list of hard rubbers.

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Yasaka Cobalt a (used by Scott Johnson, world's top hardbatter). ITTF-approved, not USATT-approved for hardbat.

Yasaka Cobalt IS on the USATT approved list of hard rubbers.

Cobalt and Cobalt a are two different rubbers.


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Sorry about any confusion. By hardbat I meant SP OX on both sides. I do live in Japan so USATT-approved isn't needed, however I would like it ITTF-approved in the event I ever entered a tournament here...very slim chance but maybe some day.

The Andro sounds interesting if it does indeed have some LP properties. Does anyone else have experience with that rubber?

Also, anyone know the difference between those two Yasaka Cobalts?

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gaijinjoe wrote:
Sorry about any confusion. By hardbat I meant SP OX on both sides. I do live in Japan so USATT-approved isn't needed, however I would like it ITTF-approved in the event I ever entered a tournament here...very slim chance but maybe some day.

The Andro sounds interesting if it does indeed have some LP properties. Does anyone else have experience with that rubber?

Also, anyone know the difference between those two Yasaka Cobalts?

Thanks!


I ran these tests a while back. The first rubber is classic Leyland rubber and is the "gold standard" for classic hardbat. But it hasn't been made for quite some time. I think Andro Classic is the third rubber shown, and you can see how the trajectory is distinctly different than the trajectory from the others. The Feint OX, is much more radically different.


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Jay, thanks, I did see the different with the Andro. BTW, I noticed a Hunter Hawk blade in the vid. What is your thoughts on that? I'm tempted to order one from Paddle Palace but I haven't been able to find much info about it. Thanks!

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gaijinjoe wrote:
Jay, thanks, I did see the different with the Andro. BTW, I noticed a Hunter Hawk blade in the vid. What is your thoughts on that? I'm tempted to order one from Paddle Palace but I haven't been able to find much info about it. Thanks!
Joe


It didn't feel as solid as I'd like. But then I tend to attack a lot. The blade I've used the most is an LKT Instinct 5-ply. But I'm currently changing since I've been working on adding chopping to my game. So if I went back and tried the Hunter Hawk again, I might like it more now. Right now I'm really liking a Nittaku RESIST that I just bought. I also like the Galaxy LQ-2 a lot, but its just a tad faster than I'm ready to deal with right now. Of course, these are all minor nit-picky preferences that probably don't really add up to much in the end since you will have to train yourself to get used to whatever you choose. So mostly its a matter of matching a blade to your style of play and the feel you like. I like low flex, slow, soft wood blades.

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I have just received from the factory a new batch of Valor Premier ITTF Cloth-backed rubber. This is probably the freshest (about 3 weeks old as of this posting) Hardbat rubber on the market. Available at www.valortabletennis.com

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P.S. This is also the best Hardbat chopping/blocking rubber on the market

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I would also recommend Valor Premier rubber, since it's probably the most "fresh" and pliable hardbat rubber you're likely to find; the cloth-backed version is especially forgiving both on the chop and assembly of the paddle itself since you don't have to worry about bubbles and whatnot. It's also ITTF-approved now.

Barring that, 99% of it is simply going to come from practice (preaching to the choir, I know), regardless of which rubber you use. An experienced chopper, perhaps such as yourself, could likely use any of the approved hardbat rubbers to pretty good effect.

I suppose you'd have to ship Valor rubbers all the way from America, though :-).

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I've tried PK and Dr Evil and didn't play well with either. Do any of the other ones chop well and do spin continuation on blocks? I want to flat smack attack with it, too, like I do with my long pips now.

I guess what would be easiest would be something that plays similar to DTecs 0X.

Does anyone know? The rest are all too expensive to just guess at...

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