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Author:  Debater [ 12 Aug 2009, 05:01 ]
Post subject:  DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
I'm confused as to why Dr Evil is a legal (approved) rubber for hardbat table tennis and the ITTF.

The ITTF requires a rubber not to be frictionless so this would suggest Dr Evil must be capable of generating some spin. However, I thought hardbat rules were aimed at using rubbers which didn't generate spin.

The two seem to be incompatible ie it should be legal for hardbat use and not for ITTF use or it shouldn't be on the hardbat list of approved rubbers but should be on the approved ITTF list.

How can Dr Evil be an authorised rubber for both?
Author:  mynamenotbob [ 12 Aug 2009, 05:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
Debater wrote:
I'm confused as to why Dr Evil is a legal (approved) rubber for hardbat table tennis and the ITTF.

The ITTF requires a rubber not to be frictionless so this would suggest Dr Evil must be capable of generating some spin. However, I thought hardbat rules were aimed at using rubbers which didn't generate spin.

The two seem to be incompatible ie it should be legal for hardbat use and not for ITTF use or it shouldn't be on the hardbat list of approved rubbers but should be on the approved ITTF list.

How can Dr Evil be an authorised rubber for both?

I think Dr. Evil is low friction, but not as slick as the frictionless rubbers are. Apparently this is the closest thing we have today to the classical hardbat rubbers Reisman is going on about.
Author:  Francis [ 12 Aug 2009, 09:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
mynamenotbob wrote:
I think Dr. Evil is low friction, but not as slick as the frictionless rubbers are. Apparently this is the closest thing we have today to the classical hardbat rubbers Reisman is going on about.

Yes, Dr Evil is not frictionless, you can give a little amount of spin to the ball, using the good skills. It's hardbat approved in the USA, because the commitee chose rubbers which spin was close to the classic rubbers, and even Barna was not frictionless, you could give a little spin to the ball (I'm talking about the brown Barna rubber, not the Dunlop Barna Original).
Author:  antipip [ 12 Aug 2009, 19:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
This question is asked and answered here: http://www.hardbat.com/hbFAQ.html
I guess it doesn't generate much spin on it's own. It's 'funny' effects seem to occur when incoming spin is heavy and so not applicalbe against other hardbat rubbers.
Author:  Francis [ 12 Aug 2009, 20:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
antipip wrote:
This question is asked and answered here: http://www.hardbat.com/hbFAQ.html
I guess it doesn't generate much spin on it's own. It's 'funny' effects seem to occur when incoming spin is heavy and so not applicalbe against other hardbat rubbers.

Yes, that's why I chose this rubber to play against sponge players, it's more adapted to my style of play. And as you say, it has no real influence against hardbat, what is important is the way you use it. ;)
Author:  haggisv [ 13 Aug 2009, 09:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
We have a traditional hardbat player at one of our clubs... I'm not sure what he's using (it's an OX SP though) and I find it remarkable how much spin he can generate! His basic strategy is to keep the ball in play and throw in occasional high balls with heavy backspin to temp player to loop... it's remarable how many player put it into the net!
Author:  mynamenotbob [ 13 Aug 2009, 13:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
There are a few players I know of who switched to hardbat to prepare for the Hardbat Classic and have had their playing level (against sponge players) go up several hundred points. Under a 2000 rating, this is a very viable style against any competition.
Author:  combobat [ 09 Apr 2012, 07:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
Does this rubber create enough reversal to play a successful defensive games in open sponge events?
Author:  Francis [ 20 Jul 2012, 03:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
combobat wrote:
Does this rubber create enough reversal to play a successful defensive games in open sponge events?

IMO, Dr Evil is closer to an antispin rubber than to an LP when you use it in defense.
Author:  so_devo [ 20 Jul 2012, 07:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
In the UK the hardbat association HEATT doesn't allow Dr evil, as it is too high friction. They have had their own, even lower friction rubber approved. I believe the brand or sheet is called 'fair play'
Author:  mynamenotbob [ 20 Jul 2012, 07:18 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
so_devo wrote:
In the UK the hardbat association HEATT doesn't allow Dr evil, as it is too high friction. They have had their own, even lower friction rubber approved. I believe the brand or sheet is called 'fair play'

I think the HEATT rubber is ITTF approved, but do they sell it anywhere?
Author:  so_devo [ 20 Jul 2012, 07:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
I know the guy who got it produced and approved, met him on a coaching course. He plays full time hardbat and beat me easily both when I used my regular and Dr evil setup. Pm me if you want his contact details, I don't know that he'd want them on open forum.
Author:  Francis [ 20 Jul 2012, 07:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
so_devo wrote:
In the UK the hardbat association HEATT doesn't allow Dr evil, as it is too high friction. They have had their own, even lower friction rubber approved. I believe the brand or sheet is called 'fair play'

HEATT only authorizes their own bats for HEATT approved hardbat events. At the beginning they were basic Dunlop bats, now they use Donic Waldner ALL blades with their ITTF Fair Play rubber, which I'm sure are much better than the Dunlop ones, even if I still haven't played with. ;)
Author:  dingwol2 [ 20 Jul 2012, 14:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
so_devo wrote:
I know the guy who got it produced and approved, met him on a coaching course. He plays full time hardbat and beat me easily both when I used my regular and Dr evil setup. Pm me if you want his contact details, I don't know that he'd want them on open forum.


Pretty sure I know who you mean. I haven't entered one of these tournaments yet but will do so. I play him at local league level where he always plays hardbat. He is very good at it with relentless attack. We now have 3 full time hardbat players, one of whom beat our top ranked (England no. 30 ish) a season or so back. It is picking up popularity with these tournaments going on.

Maybe you should invite him to the forum to see if he'd be interested in publicising HEATT here and sharing some info as he is super keen.
Author:  erm [ 06 Aug 2015, 13:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: DR EVIL - how can it be ITTF legal and hardbat legal
because dr evil are pips made from antispin rubber
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