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Hardbat's never been spinless, and hardbat rubbers have never been frictionless, never in the sense of Neubauer in any case. You can put significant spin on the ball with a hardbat, just not as much as you can with inverted sandwich. Table tennis has always involved spin, even in the 1920s and 30s.

Iskandar

Except that it isn't. You merely have to play with it a bit to know that just isn't the case.

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Hardbat: Nittaku Resist & Dr. Evil

Yep,

I believe Dr Evil not frictionless. Note, I use it with 1.5 mm sponge. From empty ball, chopping generate ball spin comparable to tackiness series.

Only on flat hit and flat block Dr Evil doing evil, kill the spin. On any other occasion, it play like inverted rubber.

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I found if I pushed with ox Dr Evil using an inverted stroke, the ball popped up, particularly short balls. That's different to inverted which stalls lower and flatter. The result was I rarely pushed with it.

Oh come on, guys.. first it's supposed to be "frictionless", now it's "like inverted". It's NEITHER. Even though I've never actually played with it, I think I can say with a high degree of confidence that it plays exactly like what it is.. short pips!

Iskandar

It certainly isn't frictionless. However compared to 'grippy' sp like Spectol or 802-40, it's much harder to generate a lot of spin, especially on serve. On service return it's much more reactive to spin than, say, Dornenglanz. I found that I definitely needed to make significant adjustments to bat angle to cope with incoming spin. Where it absolutely shines is in hitting through spin and blocking.


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Well it is an OX short pimple rubber. It does play quite differently than inverted. No surprise there - right?

Having been full time hardbat for around five years now, my strokes are so transformed that I can't really pick up an inverted rqacket and play other than to block and counter. If I try to loop, the ball flies five feet too high.

You can generate quite a bit of spin with Dr. Evil if you change your strokes. It will never generate the same amount of spin as inverted rubbers. But given that most club players don't really generate anything near the max amount of spin that could be generated with inverted, I find that I can actually counterloop with maybe 2/3 of the club players who are around my level while using Dr. Evil and my hardbat. The stroke is much more upward and a lot less forward than if you counterloop with inverted. In my experience, this just isn't possible with antispin or long pips.

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Hardbat: Nittaku Resist & Dr. Evil

That was the polite point of my post in response to BeGo's post

Well, I am not debating both of You, Debater and WTurber. Both of You are right, sort off.

Just to remind,

Because both of you talking about OX Dr Evil, and,

I am talking about 1.5 mm sponge Dr Evil.

Even Pro XP shall pop the ball on inverted push with sponge less than 1.0 mm.

I stand by what I said, I dont need to adjust my inverted strokes when using Dr Evil cause they play similar.



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