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PostPosted: 04 Jun 2013, 23:38 
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Pascal Tröger wrote:
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Thx for your quick answer Pascal ;)

To me Hellfire looks much better(more tricky) on
your NSD than Trôgers blade.

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I don't understand this :cash:


To me Hellfire looks much better(more tricky) on
your NSD than on Sauers blade.

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Geddk wrote:
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Thx for your quick answer Pascal ;)

To me Hellfire looks much better(more tricky) on
your NSD than Trôgers blade.

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I don't understand this :cash:


To me Hellfire looks much better(more tricky) on
your NSD than on Sauers blade.


Before I knew Sebastian and before I have played against him to me it seemed that his balls are not so dangerous. But now I have played against him with long pimples and especially with the HELLFIRE. These balls are fast and hard to return. Please notice that our style to play is completely different and he uses are faster blade in the video than me.

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tobhik wrote:
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I can't wait to try it. Is Hellfire as disruptive as Grass D.Tecs?


It is much slower than the D Tecs. So you have a lot of control. In my oppinion you can compare it with a slow old D Tecs.

We made the video that our customers can see what is possible with it.


how is the spin reversal for passive block compare to old grass d tecs or to new grass dtecs ?

can you provide video using this in a match?


From 1:05 minutes of our video and on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax8j2PbGfVc

I am only "holding the racket". Here you can see how it works with only a little technique....

In this videos I am playing the old Grass D-Tecs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrt4lIBqUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5uZBYinI5I

I have no videos with HELLFIRE in competition. In September our new season starts and then it is possible to give you new videos. But at the moment we have a break from season 2012 / 2013.

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Pipsy wrote:
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Please notice that there are problems with the new balls.
Maybe it will be ready in 2015 or 2016.


So, you mean that deadline for transition possibly isn't July 2014 anymore? That would be good news... where did you get that information from and what kind of problems are you refering to? For me, the decrease in spin and feeling was very significant with the seamless new ball... Do you have any other information about the development of the new ball?


Yes. At the moment there are any problems producing the new plastic balls. I think it is possible that these balls will come in 2015 or 2016.


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Geddk wrote:
To me Hellfire looks much better(more tricky) on
your NSD than Trôgers blade. When the ball land
on the table you can see that the ball is fully loaded with something. :up:


I think these differences are mainly caused by their playing styles. Their strokes (position, arm movements, moment of taking the ball) in that video are totally different. Pascal, I was wondering how far away from the table you are standing when you are chopping in the first minute of the video.


I am not far away from it. Maybe 1 m or less.

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mynamenotbob wrote:
Any idea what date you will begin shipping orders?


Normally we will start shipping our rubbers at the beginning of July.

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Hellfire Spezial is it Hellfire stretched on gluesheet?

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Geddk wrote:
Hellfire Spezial is it Hellfire stretched on gluesheet?

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Yes, it is. We will sell both versions. OX without glue sheet and OX with glue sheet. And the version with glue sheet is stretched.

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I can't wait to try it. Is Hellfire as disruptive as Grass D.Tecs?


Yes, the Hellfire is as disruptive but slower.

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I think it's awesome that you're doing this S&T. Thanks very much!

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I think it's awesome that you're doing this S&T. Thanks very much!


You´re welcome.

Any other questions? Don´t hesitate to ask.

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How about the friction limit? Exactly 25 Nm or more?
The glue sheet version also same low throw on the passive block like Spezial D.tecS?

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I think it's awesome that you're doing this S&T. Thanks very much!


You´re welcome.

Any other questions? Don´t hesitate to ask.


Well, perhaps a little off topic, but you must be about the best qualified to answer: about stretching a long pimple rubber before attaching - what would be the pro's and con's? A little more distance betwen the pips, would that be legal? Isn't distance one of the parameters that ITTF check out when controlling a rubber?
Today I glued a black ox Grass D.TecS to a 1 mm dampening sponge, using an old "real" glue (I tried with waterbased but after an hour of play in a hot room the top sheet started to come off around the edges). When I put the glue on the top sheet it got a little bigger and I guess to orrow when glue is dry there will be some added tension between the top sheet and the sponge (sponge was attached to the blade all the time). Will tthis tension make the rubber faster? Will the pips return to original position faster after they've been bent? Will the pips feel a little more stiff?
Perhaps I will find out myself but I wonder what your opinion is in this question, since you sell two versions of your lp (which I most likely will try later this year). What are the differences between the ordinary and the stretched ones?
By the way, thanks for going through all this massive load of work and helping us get better LP's :up: :up: :up:

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I think it's awesome that you're doing this S&T. Thanks very much!

I agree. :rock: :rock: :rock:

Let's also not forget that both these guys have been members here for a long time, and have been sharing their videos and tips with us well before they started producing these rubbers! So I certainly think they deserve our support in their new venture! :up: :up: :up:

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haggisv wrote:
tobhik wrote:
another question: can this rubber perform the perpetual motion? the old grass d tecs can do this.

note: anyone can give a link on the perpetual motion of grass dtecs please.

I have no idea what you mean by that??? :o Can you explain please?


The perpetual motion of old grass dtecs has been mentioned by mathias in this forum few years ago.
Basically if you hit a spiny ball vertically by other LP (horizontal blade parallel to floor) several times then the rotation on the ball will die/stop. with old grass dtecs you can hit so many times and the rotation never stop. It related to the spin reversal for passive blocking or chop blocking.

this is the link: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6339

I have a video I made on an oil dipped treated LP for this perpetual motion.
this is the link: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=22872

Perhaps S&T could produce the rubber with this characteristic but much slower than old grass dtecs, I will be happy to be the first to order.

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