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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2017, 08:53 
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Lorre/DA... what about 1.2mm D.TecS? How does that feel on pushes? Like inverted?

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dunc wrote:
Lorre/DA... what about 1.2mm D.TecS? How does that feel on pushes? Like inverted?

Lol, don't take my advice seriously (it isn't even advice, just speculation), but the pips on Dtecs are very soft from what I've read, almost jelly like. Assuming the springiness of the pips don't interfere with the pushing, I personally think it would feel very inverted-like :P

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dunc wrote:
Lorre/DA... what about 1.2mm D.TecS? How does that feel on pushes? Like inverted?


Nope. More like catapult-like with just enough friction to have a bit of control.


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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2017, 20:36 
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I can't imagine what a catapult-like pimple would feel like. Can you try and describe the feeling you get on pushing with D.TecS in comparison to P1-R?

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I can't imagine what a catapult-like pimple would feel like. Can you try and describe the feeling you get on pushing with D.TecS in comparison to P1-R?


From what I remember (it's been a long time, you know) your pushing stroke needed to be short because if it was long and the contact was too full, the ball would go long.


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dunc wrote:
I'm actually not bothered about being able to attack with my backhand. It's useful against weaker opponents but realistically it just hurts my game against better players if my mind thinks I'm capable of attacking. As you say, I end up staying far too close to the table then being in an awful position for trying to chop.

The 3 things I'm looking for are:
  • Inverted-like feeling on pushes, e.g. SP or reactive LPs like FLIII
  • LP-like feeling on chops, e.g. when the ball "grips in" to the pimples on heavy topspin loops
  • Good backspin on chops, e.g. Curl P1-R

FLIII does #1 for sure. It's not too bad for #2 either, I was chopping with it reasonably well... but it doesn't do #3 IMO (not in max sponge at least).

Does any such rubber exist?

...doesn't exist. If it did. I'd be using it lol. I just abandoned the idea of having a loaded push because I can always twiddle the racket and use inverted for that. I know pushing with FL3 can get you some points because your opponent expects no spin....but that will work for about 3 points lol


I agree with Leatherback. It's tough to get all 3 of those properties you describe. You might get close with a grippy, soft pip like FL3 or P4 on a thinner sponge (0.5ish). You might be better off learning to twiddle and push with inverted and/or doing the Chen Weixing "sideswipe" stroke against backspin rather than attempting to push it.

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I think I need to try P4 and D.TecS. Anyone wanna lend me £75???

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Danthespearton wrote:
dunc wrote:
Lorre/DA... what about 1.2mm D.TecS? How does that feel on pushes? Like inverted?

Lol, don't take my advice seriously (it isn't even advice, just speculation), but the pips on Dtecs are very soft from what I've read, almost jelly like. Assuming the springiness of the pips don't interfere with the pushing, I personally think it would feel very inverted-like :P


You didn't play with Dtecs, though - correct?

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PostPosted: 21 Aug 2017, 05:47 
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Just a quick update folks :) Haven't been on for a while because life has been incredibly busy. Some fairly horrendous stuff, some really nice stuff.

My girlfriend is pregnant, and she's now nearly 9 days overdue! We're going to hospital tomorrow to be induced. As such, I've played every match in our Summer league but won't be participating in the Winter. I've cleaned up my robot shed though and fully intend to "keep my eye in" by doing some drills on that as often as the little one allows :)

Lost 10 matches out of 34 this season, giving me just over 70% average: https://www.tabletennis365.com/northumb ... Division_1

Some of these were fairly poor losses, early on, that I probably wouldn't lose if I played again now. Finally got the better of my defensive counterpart Jimmy Scope, beating him 3-0 in the second half of the season. As the season went on, I played better and better.

The last match of the season was interesting - we had to play against our B team. Worse than that, if we won, we had a fairly strong chance of relegating them. So, I "forgot" my long pimples bat (I didn't really, it was in my bag). I didn't want to overtly throw the games as it isn't very sporting (though, I hasten to add, the only reason the B team were likely to be relegated was because an already-relegated team conceded to the other relegation-battling team, giving them 10 free points for no reason at all) so I thought that if I played with my normal bat (double inverted - Tenergy 05 forehand and 05fx backhand), they would probably win and it wouldn't look too suspicious.

Unfortunately, I won all three matches. I guess that sums up how well I use my pimples... :) At the end of the day, it's my serves and forehand that wins me points at this level. Oh well, it was an interesting experiment!

General game has improved nicely. Still need to get better at service receive and I still need to significantly improve my forehand chop. My looping is good, my backhand chop is reliable and I'm getting better at counter-looping on the forehand side but that side in general is still too much of a weakness which players can exploit.

Equipment-wise, I used Tenergy 80fx (1.7mm sponge, black) on my forehand and TSP Curl P1-R ("max" sponge, whatever that is, like 1.7mm?) on my backhand. I went to the slowest blade I own, Butterfly Innershield. After the season, I've stuck Hurricane 3 on there and I think I'll keep with that because I'm just addicted to it. Every time I move away from it, I end up going back. The 1.7mm sponge on the 80fx caused me a few problems in terms of bottoming out but otherwise it was great. Either way, I'm 100% comfortable with the pimples now and certainly won't be changing them.

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