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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2018, 04:25 
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Going to try to make it in tonight. but I'm expected to cook for the family, so we'll see how that goes.

I am very curious how the faster HPS on the backhand will be against my practice partner. It's more forgiving in some ways, and less forgiving in a lot of other ways. Speed is the biggest difference. But it plays so nicely, and is far better on offense. My guess is that there will be a net no-gain as usual.

I will put the Reflectoid on a second defplay. I will say this, double inverted chopping is best on the defplay compared to any other defensive blade I've tried. Not sure why. My other Defplay is a flared handle though, but it has Bogeyhunter's autograph on it so maybe some of that coveted BH mojo is in there soemwhere. :lol:

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2018, 04:47 
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I think have reached a no-return threshold where I have to pursue double inverted play now. I attempted to play as a chopper about a week ago and got creamed by someone I have never lost to. I then played double inverted and won fairly handily.

I have also finally come to grips with the idea that ALL+/OFF- blades, true to all of the clichés are best for me. I currently play a Joola Rossi Emotion which I have great control with, and a newish Stiga Alllround NCT, which offers great control. I think the Rossi is a little bit better for me right now as I have spent the most time with it. But I have to give the NCT a shot. I love the feel of both these blades.

I think fast(ish) rubbers on a medium speed blade is far better than slow rubbers on a fast blade. Putting Karis or something like that on the JRE or SAN is just too anemic in terms of power. Some of that is technique for sure, but I need to wood to do a little of the work. Upon switching back, my consistency improved immediately. It was pretty astonishing how out of control I was by comparison. That's where I'm at with equipment.

I still tend to play a double inverted chopping game at times or an “allround” game for about 20% of my play. It happens when my attacking (which is weaker than my defense) tends to start losing me points. I then can get back into the rally play away from the table.

My opponents noted that my best loops come from mid to long distance. Both wings. Interesting. Still a lot of artifacts from playing as a defender continue to creep into my game even though I am attempting become more offensive minded.

Other notes, my practice partner recently said I loop too vertically and do not have enough forward trajectory. Another team mate says I don't loop vertically enough, but rather go too forward. Another (former) team mate said my loop is fine, I just need to work on consistency. I give up. Haha.

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I think have reached a no-return threshold where I have to pursue double inverted play now. I attempted to play as a chopper about a week ago and got creamed by someone I have never lost to. I then played double inverted and won fairly handily.
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Other notes, my practice partner recently said I loop too vertically and do not have enough forward trajectory. Another team mate says I don't loop vertically enough, but rather go too forward. Another (former) team mate said my loop is fine, I just need to work on consistency. I give up. Haha.


And another one is lost to the light side... :lol:

Don't you love when you get conflicting advice? It's even worse if it comes from different coaches, not just teammates...

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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I think have reached a no-return threshold where I have to pursue double inverted play now. I attempted to play as a chopper about a week ago and got creamed by someone I have never lost to. I then played double inverted and won fairly handily.
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Other notes, my practice partner recently said I loop too vertically and do not have enough forward trajectory. Another team mate says I don't loop vertically enough, but rather go too forward. Another (former) team mate said my loop is fine, I just need to work on consistency. I give up. Haha.


And another one is lost to the light side... :lol:

Don't you love when you get conflicting advice? It's even worse if it comes from different coaches, not just teammates...


Sorry my brother!! I guess I need to change the title of this blog.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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You can still chop with inverted. Just saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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You can still chop with inverted. Just saying.

I know, I do a lot of it!!

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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And another one is lost to the light side... :lol:


I say: burn him. He's the evil himself. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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Japsican wrote:
I think have reached a no-return threshold where I have to pursue double inverted play now. I attempted to play as a chopper about a week ago and got creamed by someone I have never lost to. I then played double inverted and won fairly handily.


Oh, nooo :o

I am no coach but I feel like you might be over-analyzing your results a little. I posted this on your blog before but IMHO if you were to stick to the basics and develop a killer serve, FH loop (3rd, 5th ball), and a service return -- your backhand surface won't matter as much.

For me personally, my style comes down to what I enjoy doing the most. How you feel is more important than your result. Whenever I used to play as an attacker I felt like the end result was a coin toss pretty much every time. The rallies were quick and random and there was a lot of luck involved. I used to get crushed by a lucky 1300 and then in the next match had a chance at a 1800. Nowadays, when I play as a modern chopper, if someone beats me - they have to work hard for it. I no longer have this feeling of "what the xxx just happened??" after losing. If they win, they deserve it.


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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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And another one is lost to the light side... :lol:


I say: burn him. He's the evil himself. :lol:

You choppers are so weird. LPs are for cheaters. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018, 04:19 
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Guys guys...I am currently playing with double inverted, but it doesn't mean this is permanent. I am so wishy washy with this stuff...you never know. What I mean about the threshold is, in my current state, i am now ineffective as a chopper. I could probably get back to my old level in a month or so. BUT, I have never played with double

That being said, I am really enjoying playing a mixed game right now. I had another solid night of play last night. I again defeated people I should be beating, and lost to those I probably would lose to with the LPs. Against my teammate, I played very well, and he's been beating me a lot lately (Shahir is his name, young kid around 1800). I took the first game 10-6. Split the next 2. Lost in 5. Best I've squeaked out against him in recent history is 1-3...with pips.

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Oh, nooo :o

I am no coach but I feel like you might be over-analyzing your results a little. I posted this on your blog before but IMHO if you were to stick to the basics and develop a killer serve, FH loop (3rd, 5th ball), and a service return -- your backhand surface won't matter as much.

For me personally, my style comes down to what I enjoy doing the most. How you feel is more important than your result. Whenever I used to play as an attacker I felt like the end result was a coin toss pretty much every time. The rallies were quick and random and there was a lot of luck involved. I used to get crushed by a lucky 1300 and then in the next match had a chance at a 1800. Nowadays, when I play as a modern chopper, if someone beats me - they have to work hard for it. I no longer have this feeling of "what the xxx just happened??" after losing. If they win, they deserve it.


I think we all over-analyze our game. But this is something I have been thinking a long time about to be honest. It's not just because my backhand is superior, it's a style change. My forehand has gotten better, but I am enjoying being at the table, and then switching to defender as needed.

What's funny is, I have the exact opposite impression of my results as you. I have fewer upsets against me with double inverted, but as a LP chopper, I lose to 1300 level guys on occasion. Never happens now (not so far at least). I also never do the upsetting against higher level competition. But I'm okay with that trade-off...I like the consistency.

But honestly, the chances of me switching back someday are pretty good. Who knows.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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Also, FWIW, I still chop a lot. I don't really counter loop....I counter chop. Especially on the FH. On the BH I probably fish more often on defense unless I can let it drop a little. I still dont' have that technique down quite right. I think I'm playing kind of a mixed game...not really retriever.

Kind of like guy in the below video, but with a little more topspin and blocking, maybe more 3rd ball at the table stuff. But of course, I'm not as good as him by a long shot:


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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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Also, FWIW, I still chop a lot. I don't really counter loop....I counter chop. Especially on the FH. On the BH I probably fish more often on defense unless I can let it drop a little. I still dont' have that technique down quite right. I think I'm playing kind of a mixed game...not really retriever.

Kind guy in the below video, but with a little more topspin and blocking, maybe more 3rd ball at the table stuff. But of course, I'm not as good as him by a long shot:



WOW he is very entertaining to watch. You don't know what he will do and so much variety in the game, forcing his opponent to play many different shots too.

I wish you all the best with your double inverted experience. Fishing on the BH is quite fun but I have found it is a weakness against better players unless you can add a nice counter loop to get in the point (or turn to FH).
Have you tried an OX long pip on BH? Maybe something that reverses more

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