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Author:  RebornTTEvnglist [ 27 Jan 2009, 22:48 ]
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Well I promised it would be back and here it is for those of you that enjoy reading epic match reports lol. I will try to keep it as interesting as I can.

Ok so tonight I arrived at the stadium and immediately went to check out where I'd been put gradewise and teamwise. I looked at the board in B3 where I used to play, couldn't see my name. So I thought ok, I did say I wanted to be in a lowish grade for now, so I checked B4. Nope not there. Surely they didn't put me in B5? Nope. So I checked B2 and then B1. :cry: I wasn't in any team. :oops:

OK, this was not funny! Reb's getting worried! So I went to the Manager and said what happened. Well his look told me that he'd forgotten me, but he salvaged quickly and said, don't worry I have a spot for you. OK, where? I went off and patiently waited and had a hit up with one of the guys I've often hit up with in the past. I waited until 7.30pm when the comp was about to start and went back and said ok which table? The manager then went and checked the draw and gave me a team. The captain of this team happened to be the old chinese man I have written about before who plays pips on a Dr. N blade that is about 15mm thick. He said he already had a replacement, but after he talked to the manager it was sorted and finally I had a team...in B2!! Oh, I'm coming back from injury, my doc has said play light and I've now gone UP a grade! :roll: :lol:

OK, I can handle this I thought. It'll be ok. At least I have a team. The team name? Galaxy!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

So the other guy on my new team plays first. He is a chinese guy maybe 30. I would have said 20, but he had 2 kids and a wife sitting watching him. (Gees those Chinese hide their age well :wink: ). Anyway, he wins the first 2 sets pretty easy and I thought he'd cruise to a win, but ended up extendig it to a five setter. He was up 10-5 in the last, and ended up winning it 16-14!!

I was up next and playing an older Chinese guy than ours, but maybe 40-ish. I enjoyed that he served predominantly to my BH, but even with the Cayman I was still pushing long too frequently for my liking. The game did start fairly well for me though and I even had a 2 point lead at 4-2. This guy had a deadly smash that was virtually unreturnable. When the pips spin threw him, he dumped in the net, but when it didn't oh boy! So it was soon 5-5 as I gave him some smashing opportunities. I had given some of what I got but with the heat that we played in tonight it wasn't appealing to over exert when not needed lol. Anyway, that game ended up 11-6 I think.

OK, I thought, I'm going to get dumped on here. And in the second game he started by having me 3-0. I decided to pull my finger out and went for some solid smashes and soon got back into it. By the time it was 3-5 his way, I thought I could chase this down. He played a lot of low spinny balls to my BH lloking for pop-ups from me that he could smash with his big FH. I obliged him a fair bit too, but he also got sucked in a fair bit to the spin of the Palio dunking a lot in the net. I even got a few smashes away myself. I managed to pull the game along to be 10-9 up on him. Way to go, but can I snare this? I served, he pushed back at me and I pushed at him, he pushed it with force deep to my BH and forced me to play a weak returm which landed mid table on his side at a perfect smashing height. I braced myself as he launched into it. I watched his hit and it came whizzing down my FH side and I launched back at it and countered it down the middle of the table, where he wasn't because he was still recovering from his smash. That was the first time that my thoughts went...thats a Quelis point Yah!!! And cool, I won one and equalised the set score.

The next game got away on me somehow and before I knew it, he had 11-5 on me. I barely recall playing it even. The game after that I thought I was going to equalise again though when after reaching 10 all, I got it to 11-10. But no, we kept on giving each other points then. I just couldn't quite take the crucial point. The game ended in his favour at 16-14. So he took it out 3-1, but I didn't feel I had disgraced myself in this higher grade.

Fortunately for us, the third player for the other team didn't turn up. I would have liked the extra game and a doubles, but instead we got walk overs on those matches.

I umpired our doubles match and I was pretty disappointed in their straight sets loss. The team captain played very poorly. To be fair it was his first game of the night, but I can't say I've ever seen him play so poorly. They went down 11-8, 11-8, 11-7. Which meant I got a very short break before playing again. But then the guy I played next had no break lol.

Not sure who was better off, him for just keeping going, or me from having a short break. In what felt like 40 C heat (although that was probably only after playing), it was tough going. So I lined up against this guy, who is very large, but moves pretty well for it. The first game I was steam-rolled and went down about 11-4. I took it up to him in the next and lost 11-9. I wasn't looking forward to going down so easily, but in the next game I got my serve and third ball attack going really well and beat him 11-7. There was a couple of Quelis points in there, where I served off the BH with my inverted and twiddled to meet his return with a heavy smash. This continued into the 4th game where I had him ruffled and ended up winning it 11-4.

Before the final game his teammate got in his ear and told him to settle down. Apparently some other friend had also told him to play a more blocking game at me, as he had lost quite a few points trying to attack my pip shots and losing his timing on the spin. Unfortunately for me this worked well for him and he had me 10-5 before too long. I was determined to try and keep it going though and when he smashed at me for what he figured was the final hit, I countered it back past him in my final Quelis point! Yahoo! After that, I think I got one more point off a long push of his, and then I returned the favor long pushing to him for 11-7 loss.This guy has played B2 since my first season at the club last year, so I wasn't unhappy pushing it this far. Of course it would have been nice to take a win though.

In the wash up of the night we won 7-4 in the end so not a bad way to start the season.

So I went over after that to have a chat with Mars who had turned up sometime during my second match, unbeknown to me. Had a fairly good chat with he and his wife's sisters father-in-law - the old dual-sided Ox player I played last week. We discovered tonight he has Phantom 0012 on both sides of a 50 year old blade!! Anyway I was in the middle of a conversation and some other guy butts in and steals Mars away for a hit! Huh! If I'd known he was up for a hit, I'd have given him a hit lol. :roll:

On the court next to where we played our matches, the team that had come up to B2 having won the B3 grand-final last season was playing. This team, I should add was playing B5 in the last full season I played and had gone to B4 in the season I stopped. So they had made very good headway to make it to B2 this season. One of the guys in this team has a very good loop game and I could see when he was in B5 he was too good for it. He, JJR off this forum, and I ended up playing a little winner stays on round robin while I waited for my old teammate to finish his matches, who was my ride.

I decided to pull out the Dima Sawtech which I got from Silver and give it a try now I have put Black Globe 979 on the BH, having the Butterfly Tempest on the FH. JJR managed to get over me with 11-9 in the first game, and the the other B2 player then took JJR down about 11-9. This guy was eager to play me as he hadn't handle the Long pips he'd played against in his own match too well. I beat him about 11-7 I think. And then I took JJR out about 11-9. At this point I changed to the Cayman and beat the other B2 player yet again, and then JJR knocked me off again. JJR lost his next game to the B2 player and then had to go play his own comp match. The other guy and I then got our teeth into another 4 or 5 games. One of them was an epic 17-15, which went my way. Other than this, I beat him in every other game 11-something. Some were 9 a couple were 5 or 6. We were about to start another when I had to go. But out of about 6 games I played this guy, he didn't manage to beat me once. I took this as a good sign that I might at least have someone I can beat in this grade, and perhaps I wasn't too far off the general standard.

Anyway, it was great to be back into "real" competition again. Can't wait for next Tuesday now! :wink:

Reports pre the Reb Report:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1919
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2664
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2852
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4256&start=30

Author:  antipip [ 27 Jan 2009, 23:53 ]
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Nice report Reb it sounds like you stood up to the competition well, enjoyed it and it must be a relief too.
Manager? How do things work down there. It sounds like he picks your grade and team, probably a good thing. Do you all play on the same night? Do you have to travel to away matches or do all clubs play at the same venue? How many grades are their?
If you think this is off topic you can pm me.

Author:  RebornTTEvnglist [ 28 Jan 2009, 00:14 ]
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Anit, I won't PM it, as others might be interested in answers.

Basically our club has one full-time employee who runs the club. He is the manager. Teams put in registration forms, or individual players can as well and be allocated to a team. When I asked at the end of last season I asked for a registration form and the manager told me he didn't have them yet, but he would put one in for me. I stood there and looked at him and said "Are you sure you'll remember?". Yep no worries he said. Last week when I played I reminded him and asked if teams were done yet. Doing them tomorrow he said. So I expected there wouldn't be a problem. LOL.

We all play in the same facility that has 16 tables. It is only one club - the Greater Dandenong TTC. There are 5 A grade levels that all play on Monday nights and 5 B Grade levels that play on a Tuesday night. No travelling anywhere else. Each grade has 6 teams that compete and play 10 rounds in a season. The teams that finish 1 and 2 on ladder play off in the final for the Premiership.

Generally speaking people are either graded by someone and allocated to the grade. A team can apply for a particular grade, but most will start in B5 the lowest. The winner of each grades premiership usually goes up to the next grade, and the bottom team drops back a grade. There are 4 seasons in a year and at the start of each season there is often some fiddling done to the teams and grades to make them work. Sometimes this means pushing a team up even when they haven't won the premiership just to smooth things out, or it can mean moving some players around if they are not from a team registration. This often happens in the second week even, when issues have arisen from the week before.

Generally it works fairly well in the end and the manager does well to juggle everything into place. Hope this answers your questions, but feel free to aks more if you want to know anything else.

Author:  dwruck [ 28 Jan 2009, 00:43 ]
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Nice report, it sounds like you did very well in your first "real" comeback matches!

Author:  antipip [ 28 Jan 2009, 00:44 ]
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Your manager sounds as forgetful as me. If I don't do something then and there I forget, minimum I have to do is set a reminder on my phone.

Is that fairly typical of table tennis in Australia? Is it a system designed for minority sports or sparsley populated areas? (I'm not meaning to cause offense here, just curious of how the system came to be in place) 4 seasons mean you must play pretty much all year round something i've never done. Are the seasons based on weather seasons or calendar months?

In England our teams are made of clubs around a catchment area, each with their own venue. Play once home and away. Top 2 go up, bottom 2 go down with a bit of leeway.
They used to be a lot of works teams, this has died down and now there are a higher proportion of sports clubs forming teams and venues.

I think that above that level you can represent your town or county and some clubs will have teams entered in british league which is split regionally, depending on makeup of teams, below the top division. Tournaments are also organised on a star basis to give ranking points.

Author:  RebornTTEvnglist [ 28 Jan 2009, 01:17 ]
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Lol Doug, I did "win" one match at least, even if it was by default lol.

Anti, it is fairly typical I think. There isn't a lot of integrating between clubs except for tourneys, and perhaps the really high levels that seem to have some sort of club v club type comp, but then still have their usual intra club matches. There is also a thing called "country week" where once a year the non-metro clubs meet up at one of the city clubs and play each other tourney style. The city clubs are excluded from this though. I was a member of one of these country clubs as a teen, but never got to play country week. I always thought, as a kid, being selected to play depended on how good you were. I never thought of myself as good enough. Now these many years later, I found out it was more just about applying and having the cash to pay for accommodation and stuff lol. So I missed out then, and I miss out now cos I live in the city.

Yep, we play all year round. The season is basically 12 weeks. 10 weeks of matches, 1 week for final and 1 kind of club championship before the next season starts. Handicap Champs, Club Champs, Grade Champs, etc.

We pay a yearly fee to TTV (TT Victoria), which has gone up to $50 from $46 last year, and then $75 per season to the club.

Author:  GrumpyJoe [ 28 Jan 2009, 01:49 ]
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Does it go lower than B-5? Or is that as low as it goes.

Author:  GrumpyJoe [ 28 Jan 2009, 01:51 ]
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Does it go lower than B-5? Or is that as low as it goes. But it sounds like you are close to being back at full strength. Still becareful, I do want see you back to 100%.

Author:  RebornTTEvnglist [ 28 Jan 2009, 02:02 ]
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B-5 is as low as it goes now. They used to have C grade as well which I assume had 5 levels. But it died due to lack of numbers. They also have a "Masters" that play on a Thursday night and has A-1, A-2 and A-3. Needless to say its all fairly high level play.

No, I wouldn't say I was full strength yet. Still can't stand up on my toes on left leg by itself, like I can on right. Its amazing how many muscles there are in your foot and how weak they get with a short time of inactiveness. Its not just the achilles that gets hurt. I know a lot of the pain I get in my foot is nowhere near the achilles, but more the muscles at the front of my foot.

A couple of people had goes at me tonight that I was playing the ball too much around my body. Now that's a lot of my game anyway when under pressure. If a ball is smashed at my body and I don't have time to move, I bring the bat in close and often return shots the opposition thought was a kill. Now that I'm not moving so well, I'm relying on it even more. So Mars, read this, and stop trying to make me hurt myself will ya!!!? :lol: :lol: :lol: Ya even had Phuc telling me it! :roll:

Author:  quelis [ 28 Jan 2009, 03:20 ]
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Nice "quelis points" Reb (great battery upload)!!! And I like the way you explained it. Besides, it's interesting the way you organize your competitions, (we do it here in the same way as Antipip explained).

Thanks a lot

Q.-

Author:  RebornTTEvnglist [ 28 Jan 2009, 13:02 ]
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You're most welcome my friend! :wink:

Author:  SuperHappyFunSlider [ 28 Jan 2009, 13:27 ]
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your club sounds bigger than even what we have.

we have ours sorted into divisions - 1,2, 3 and 4 with 6 teams of 3 in each division.

players are all graded individually - not as a team. top 3 and bottom 3 for each division play off against each other at the end of every season, to determine which 3 go to the higher division, and who goes to the lower.

we run that comp on two nights. by doing this you can have players playing both nights- and we have found one of the nights is a stronger level, so we have all sorts of different players on both nights.

an addict like myself plays both nights.

Author:  Silver [ 28 Jan 2009, 14:44 ]
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SuperHappyFunSlider wrote:
your club sounds bigger than even what we have.


The Melbourne league is the biggest in australia.


hehe, I reckon you should jump on the Bris tour. Play all three fixtures, Bris, Wynnum, UQ...

Author:  SuperHappyFunSlider [ 28 Jan 2009, 14:50 ]
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Silver wrote:
SuperHappyFunSlider wrote:
your club sounds bigger than even what we have.


The Melbourne league is the biggest in australia.


hehe, I reckon you should jump on the Bris tour. Play all three fixtures, Bris, Wynnum, UQ...


wish i could, but it's a trip to travel around :(

maybe when i actually start driving i will.... i do the tournaments, if that's any consolation? :P

Author:  purger [ 28 Jan 2009, 19:31 ]
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Wery nice report Reb.Im glad that you are back as well cong on higher grade.Sounds like you just sliped a win in second match.5 sets matches are always tricky.
Wish you good luck in season and go for your shots,use wat works wat doesnt change it, :D

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