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He's using a bent elbow most of the time. I suppose you could make a case that the forearm also acts as a whip when the elbow is brought to a stop and it continues to swing.. To be honest pretty much all high level players I've seen in videos use a whip action for forehand drives of some sort, even if it's not exactly like Ma Long's. The idea is to rely less on your biceps and shoulder muscles to get the racket speed and to rely more on the whip mechanics. Makes for less effort and potential for injury as well as more spin and speed.

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I've sort of been trying to implement this in my games on weekends. I can actually do the whip-forehand loop drive receiving long serves (in doubles, where you know more or less where the serve's going to go, and the people I play with aren't good enough to consistently serve short). In other situations I'm concentrating on not executing the backswing too early, even on short topspin drives or quasi-blocks. For the most part, it has improved my game, even though the first day I tried it it was a disaster - my timing was off completely and I kept missing balls. The pre-session warmup really helps calibrate the timing. Now to internalize it so it becomes second nature - so easy to forget to keep doing it!

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ETTS part 39 is available on ttEDGE.com

ttEDGE members send me backhand topspin footage and I've noticed a common mistake that many are still making. For some, this will just be a good reminder.

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Some progress in learning the straighter arm loop. Main takeaway so far: looping with straighter arm requires taking the ball much further from the body. To the point that if feels very uncomfortable and makes me think that I am going to miss the ball with my racket. Many thanks to Brett for his videos and help.



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Definitely some progress. Would encourage you to practice more against block and with less movement and to learn to make the pattern both smaller and larger so it can be adapted to the speed of the incoming ball.

But the stroke looks a lot like mine, if I may be so modest. The plane may need more vertical than mine but maybe that's just because I adapt to the ball better with more experience.

Backswing closer to your body, it will help with a lot of things including stroke size, defending the elbow and transitioning between forehand and backhand.

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I practice quite a lot against blocks as well, but the biggest problem is that I tend to take the ball too close to the body and get cramped. Especially when the ball comes to my middle after I played a wide forehand: I need to take a big jump to the left to maintain the correct distance to the ball. However, my brain is used to taking the ball closer and makes my legs jump only a little. I have the same issue for pivot forehand, only worse. My legs are also not strong enough to make those large jumps. So there are many things to work on.


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fastmover wrote:
I practice quite a lot against blocks as well, but the biggest problem is that I tend to take the ball too close to the body and get cramped. Especially when the ball comes to my middle after I played a wide forehand: I need to take a big jump to the left to maintain the correct distance to the ball. However, my brain is used to taking the ball closer and makes my legs jump only a little. I have the same issue for pivot forehand, only worse. My legs are also not strong enough to make those large jumps. So there are many things to work on.


Even top players don't always get out of the way of the ball when surprised and every technique over time requires some fail safes in case you can't play the perfect shot. You are a tall guy with a big middle, if you try to make all the adjustments with your footwork with a stroke this size, you will need to play further and further back from the table. Best to be able to rotate and lean and changet stroke size in addition to being able to move on demand. In any case, it is important to know how good you want to be and what the technical limitations of what you are doing are.

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Yeah, that is all true.

> it is important to know how good you want to be

All I want is to overpower those pesky blockers I meet at tournaments all the time :D


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I agree that there is a lot of progress.

Check out the picture below. Fastmover's arm is near straight and horizontal at the point of impact. The Chinese and Koreans have won a lot of Olympic gold medals using a similar contact point.

NL is correct in saying that arm length must be somewhat dynamic etc. In general though, getting away from the ball on the forehand will improve your shot.

I have a lot to say about the footwork timing in Fastmover's video. Moving before swinging can't possibly optimal training. Knowing the speed and direction of the ball in advance can be a serious problem unless you learn to wait for the right time to move and swing. This counts for both strokes and footwork. I've taken some footage and I'm working on some LTT videos to demonstrate these points.

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Brett Clarke wrote:
I agree that there is a lot of progress.

Check out the picture below. Fastmover's arm is near straight and horizontal at the point of impact. The Chinese and Koreans have won a lot of Olympic gold medals using a similar contact point.



Cool, now it is time to replicate this shot at least in my regular training.

Brett Clarke wrote:

I have a lot to say about the footwork timing in Fastmover's video. Moving before swinging can't possibly optimal training. Knowing the speed and direction of the ball in advance can be a serious problem unless you learn to wait for the right time to move and swing. This counts for both strokes and footwork. I've taken some footage and I'm working on some LTT videos to demonstrate these points.



Note that this is a very specific case and I wittingly move well before the ball comes. The reason is that the swing is new for me and it is hard to time it yet keeping it intact (i.e. straight arm). The reason why I added the movement is to get a sense of the correct distance to the ball while playing from different points relative to the table. I don't know if it is a right strategy to learn, probably not :) It is also difficult to move right to the ball when playing with the robot since the ball appears out of nowhere fast. On Thursday I will try to film my regular practice playing against blocks which is much more realistic.


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