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Today I discovered a bonus of succesfully looping half-long serves: when people are not used to serve short and low and see their serves looped over and over, it puts them under quite a pressure. Which results in more serve faults on their sides.

Apart from that, I believe that this message ("You can loop the majority of serves even if they appear to be short") is one of the most valuables lessons of TTEdge, at least for me. It makes life so much easier. I used to get overhwelmed when I imagined all the skills that seems to be necessary for serve return: pushes, flicks, on both sides and against all kind of spins. But it turns that forehand loop + footwork + experience is the most valuable asset for returning serves.


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Today I discovered a bonus of succesfully looping half-long serves: when people are not used to serve short and low and see their serves looped over and over, it puts them under quite a pressure. Which results in more serve faults on their sides.

Apart from that, I believe that this message ("You can loop the majority of serves even if they appear to be short") is one of the most valuables lessons of TTEdge, at least for me. It makes life so much easier. I used to get overhwelmed when I imagined all the skills that seems to be necessary for serve return: pushes, flicks, on both sides and against all kind of spins. But it turns that forehand loop + footwork + experience is the most valuable asset for returning serves.


All the skills required to return serve are mostly useless at club level. Just loop the serves. It's actually quite easy to return a real short serve, if you ever come across one. When you are trying to flick or short push a half-long serve, you'll be in a world of pain.

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fastmover wrote:
Today I discovered a bonus of succesfully looping half-long serves: when people are not used to serve short and low and see their serves looped over and over, it puts them under quite a pressure. Which results in more serve faults on their sides.

Apart from that, I believe that this message ("You can loop the majority of serves even if they appear to be short") is one of the most valuables lessons of TTEdge, at least for me. It makes life so much easier. I used to get overhwelmed when I imagined all the skills that seems to be necessary for serve return: pushes, flicks, on both sides and against all kind of spins. But it turns that forehand loop + footwork + experience is the most valuable asset for returning serves.


All the skills required to return serve are mostly useless at club level. Just loop the serves. It's actually quite easy to return a real short serve, if you ever come across one. When you are trying to flick or short push a half-long serve, you'll be in a world of pain.


I used to banana flick junk serves. But it has way less power and it is more difficult to cover most table with it. Previously I wondered how could good players pivot on serve returns, it seemed to be impossible. But now I see that with proper pivot timing and movement it is not voodoo magic at all.


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This should be a good way to spend a Sunday afternoon

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A little far for me...any chance at some video highlights?


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Congratulations to BRS for breaking 2000 for the first time :clap: :clap: :clap: Ben has been a major contributor to the LTT Series, so many thanks to him.

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Amazing! Congratulations Ben!


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Congratulations to BRS for breaking 2000 for the first time :clap: :clap: :clap: Ben has been a major contributor to the LTT Series, so many thanks to him.

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Amazing! Congratulations Ben!


Thanks everybody. This Learning Table Tennis lark is the only thing I've ever done where the journey really has been more fun than the destination. And meeting all of you, in person or even just online, is the best part of it.

Now that 2000 is broken I need a new goal, so I'm going to be the first US over-40-year-old-beginner to break 2200. Like an old song says -- To each his reach, and if I don't cop, it ain't mine to have. But I'll be reachin' for ya, cause I love ya, TT.


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Brett Clarke wrote:
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A little far for me...any chance at some video highlights?


I'll see what I can do. William looks a bit like Grizzly Adams these days, so you may not recognize him.

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Brett Clarke wrote:
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Brett Clarke wrote:
This should be a good way to spend a Sunday afternoon

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A little far for me...any chance at some video highlights?


I'll see what I can do. William looks a bit like Grizzly Adams these days, so you may not recognize him.


Did he get a lifted pickup truck with offroad tires for those rough trips to the office? Got a couple of those at my work :)

I'd love to hear any insights he has and even maybe when he's instructing someone.


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Are there any technical pitfalls of playing sidespin loop against a loaded push?


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What do you do when an opponent serves you a mix of side-under and side-top long to your backhand or elbow, and you can't read the top/under variation? There isn't time to learn to read it during the match, so that's not an option. Assume receiver has double-inverted spinny rubber.

a) Guess at the spin and take the normal stroke to return that kind
b) Split the difference and do a half-assed stroke that might work for either spin
c) Take an extra-aggressive loop swing in hopes of overpowering the incoming spin no matter what it is
d) Make a fraidy-cat push or bump return and pray it lands on the table someway
e) Something else?


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What do you do when an opponent serves you a mix of side-under and side-top long to your backhand or elbow, and you can't read the top/under variation? There isn't time to learn to read it during the match, so that's not an option. Assume receiver has double-inverted spinny rubber.

a) Guess at the spin and take the normal stroke to return that kind
b) Split the difference and do a half-assed stroke that might work for either spin
c) Take an extra-aggressive loop swing in hopes of overpowering the incoming spin no matter what it is
d) Make a fraidy-cat push or bump return and pray it lands on the table someway
e) Something else?


These issues pop up for me against people who put lots of top spin on the ball. I'll pretty much just do a little swing in hopes to put it back on the table (my current stroke vs a heavy top spin serve). I'm hoping they switch to more backspin because that's just easier to deal with. So...

Hope it's top spin and deal with that first. So... A?

So, often I mess people up and they push my serve...but some people can push a top spin back on the table fairly well. Good touch or old rubber etc, it works for them.


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Take the ball as late as possible if you want to get it on the table and do a slow but relatively flat carry the ball stroke or a soft spinny return. This will not get it done against an aggressive thirdballer but can keep you in the point.

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Take the ball as late as possible if you want to get it on the table and do a slow but relatively flat carry the ball stroke or a soft spinny return. This will not get it done against an aggressive thirdballer but can keep you in the point.


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