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PostPosted: 29 Oct 2018, 07:47 
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I have a lot more problems with bad attitude adults than I do kids. I prefer choing or any kind of talk to people who play in absolute serious library silence. I really hate that.

As far as not letting it bother you in competition, I think you are missing an opportunity by even thinking of opponent noise as an obstacle for you. Try thinking of it as a reflection of their inner stress.

The easiest way to win a tournament match is to destroy your opponent mentally. This can mostly happen two ways. You can break their spirit where they give up trying due to lack of belief they can win. Or, much more fun, you can put them on tilt where they lose their minds and start smashing every ball to let the anger out. If you are a pips player, as I am now, one way to do that is to get three or four nets in a set. When you hear them complain about the nets, especially if it is to spectators, you know they aren't focused. That's a good moment to say something like "I always get at least four nets every set, it's guaranteed when you switch to pips." Then aim quite low. If you can get one more net dribbler in the next two or three points most times they will go completely berserk. And that's always good fun.

Even if you don't find humor in being a jerk sometimes, I still think you should look at loud opponents as stressed, and think of ways to stress them more. Generally in competition we are meant to focus on the opponent and not ourselves. Worrying about their choing between points, which has zero relevance to your play, contradicts that.


Good point. The thing is that I don't like conflict, so trying to stress my opponent more, while it might make it more likely for me to win the game, it wouldn't feel good doing it. Strangely enough, my opponents being stressed out, stresses me out. I feel like the game goes from being a battle of skills to more of a mental battle and I don't enjoy that.. but I guess it's something I just have to accept if I want to keep competing. It's probably partly because I used to play local league games that were very relaxed and social to now competing in leagues and competitions where winning is considered much more important. They both have their pros and cons, I suppose.

I'm not sure what tactic to employ when things are going poorly. I tend to show quite negative body language and I don't think that's helping my game. I've tried choing on some points but it just doesn't feel natural to me. I do whisper a few things to myself and I think that's probably more useful to help me focus on what I actually need to do to win.


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More interesting to me than talent is the phenomenon of anti-talent. That is when a player is still quite terrible, but thinks they are good, or sometimes, knows they stink, but think they already know everything about technique and just aren't showing their best. Anti-talent completely negates any coaching, since the player already knows whatever the coach is telling him.


That reminds me of the Dunning Kruger effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect) which I think is similar to what you're mentioning.


On a more serious and hopefully helpful note, what has helped me a ton to keep focused on useful thoughts in competition came from some videos multi-forum member zeio made where he subtitled the Chinese stars post-match interviews on Weibo. Every single time, win or lose, they always talked about their matches in terms of solving problems.

So since I can't copy their athleticism, practice discipline, or technique, I tried copying that system of thinking about a match. And I find it helps a lot. I don't get so down on myself any more, I haven't thrown a paddle in months. If I'm missing all my forehands in a match, instead of thinking, I have no forehand today, why does it have to be today at a tournament? I'm such a s*** player." now I think more like "this guy is giving me a real problem on my fh. What is he doing? How can I force the play into a different pattern?"

Sometimes it works, defined as winning the match. And lots of times it doesn't. But I feel much better both during and after the match, and I learn more from matches this way. Very rarely now do I come off the table not knowing how or why I lost, or won for that matter.


If "solving problems" puts you into a more imaginative state between points, it's a really good thing. LTT57 is about using your imagination between points to create positive outcomes. It's extremely important that you see yourself playing well when solving problems.

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2) People still block me out. Something is very wrong with my forehand opening against backspin. Although I did try to spin more, it didn't work out. What I noticed is that against a very heavy push it is easy to loop heavy, as I add up the spin. But if the ball has medium backspin and I try to spin it, it just does not work. Too easy to block. Probably what happens is that autopilot in my head sees a weak push and directs my body to spin it forward no matter what. I wish I could have some offline coaching to work on this issue...


Push it back, then block the returning loop? :lol:

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2) People still block me out. Something is very wrong with my forehand opening against backspin. Although I did try to spin more, it didn't work out. What I noticed is that against a very heavy push it is easy to loop heavy, as I add up the spin. But if the ball has medium backspin and I try to spin it, it just does not work. Too easy to block. Probably what happens is that autopilot in my head sees a weak push and directs my body to spin it forward no matter what. I wish I could have some offline coaching to work on this issue...


Push it back, then block the returning loop? :lol:

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I will try to do this once I go up a level. Most of my opponents only attack if a push is high, slow and empty. No one is ever going to loop a low, loaded one. If they do, they usually make a mistake once or twice, then stop and revert to their usual "I am not going to make a mistake no matter what" game.

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I've thought a lot about this type of device and it theoretically makes a lot of sense.

I remember however than hangdog put a very simple box on my table which served the same purpose. I try using it and really struggled to make my serve work as required. This worried me because I have above average serves and I theoretically should be able to succeed every time if the tool is appropriate as a learning device for the average club player.


It's a bit of a dig on the new $100 on you can buy from an American coach. I think mine cost around $2, tho I actually had everything I needed to put it together.
I think it's a reasonable tool to gauge where your serves are. I'm not sure if it's terribly useful to practice with it up all of the time.
Just my personal observations: my backspin serve tends to pop up a bit too high on the server side however my dead ball is really low already. The top spin serves are low if I do them properly too.

So I think I'm going to use it a little bit like a video replay: good for feedback but not for all of the time. Well I'll use it like that when my new kitten is done destroying the twine. :rofl:


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Is there one of the LTTS videos where how low you should be is discussed? If optimal contact point is around chest height for most strokes (roughly speaking) then should how low we position ourselves be dictated by this? As in we get our chest to ball height as best as possible?


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PTTP03 is now available on ttEDGE.com

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The bouncing.

The bouncing is so difficult for us adults I feel like. It's almost like it's something you have to learn as a child or you never do.

With that said I'll try to bounce after a backhand opener. Easy enough to practice too.


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Brett Clarke wrote:
PTTP03 is now available on ttEDGE.com

Here's the link https://ttedge.com/videos/pttp03-playin ... -henzell-2


I was sort of practicing this a few weeks ago when I asked about my backspin serve and trying to get the fold right. I was trying to practice the serve as well as using my bh against long pushes and playing out the point. The serve isn't quite right here, many are unintentionally drifting long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDwAad7S3Nk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmTgt_Tyi0 The bh at 3.04 felt right, I just want more of those!

While I get good contact on some of these backhands I pretty much never ever do it in a match, I almost always pivot. When I try it in a match something usually goes wrong. Perhaps the pushes I receive in games are spinnier and I misread them, then I lose my confidence and don't dare to try again. I also make a lot more errors when I go for anywhere other than crosscourt.

It looks like William is using a wider stance than me, maybe this is my issue when there's more backspin as I'm not getting down enough.


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Richfs wrote:
Brett Clarke wrote:
PTTP03 is now available on ttEDGE.com

Here's the link https://ttedge.com/videos/pttp03-playin ... -henzell-2


I was sort of practicing this a few weeks ago when I asked about my backspin serve and trying to get the fold right. I was trying to practice the serve as well as using my bh against long pushes and playing out the point. The serve isn't quite right here, many are unintentionally drifting long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDwAad7S3Nk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmTgt_Tyi0 The bh at 3.04 felt right, I just want more of those!

While I get good contact on some of these backhands I pretty much never ever do it in a match, I almost always pivot. When I try it in a match something usually goes wrong. Perhaps the pushes I receive in games are spinnier and I misread them, then I lose my confidence and don't dare to try again. I also make a lot more errors when I go for anywhere other than crosscourt.

It looks like William is using a wider stance than me, maybe this is my issue when there's more backspin as I'm not getting down enough.


Hey Rich,

I'll tell you what I like about your post. You are obviously a class player and you are still looking to improve technical aspects of your game. It's most player's goal to look something like you in the future.

I'll bet that you miss some backhands in a match because your chest doesn't travel down enough on the backswing. It's working when you know where the ball is going however it's pretty borderline and I can imagine your arm working against your chest when you are strapped for time. Try to get the feeling of bringing you chest down towards your thigh, if that makes sense. I've watched a bunch of Fan Zhen Dong live and he is going a lot deeper than you in the training hall.

A wide stance is definitely helpful, but it's not the biggest issue.

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PTTP03 is now available on ttEDGE.com

Here's the link https://ttedge.com/videos/pttp03-playin ... -henzell-2


The bouncing.

The bouncing is so difficult for us adults I feel like. It's almost like it's something you have to learn as a child or you never do.

With that said I'll try to bounce after a backhand opener. Easy enough to practice too.


You can do it against backspin and that may be enough to win matches.

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My take on LTT100. Looks like I am pushing too much forward and not enough upward.


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wilkinru wrote:
Brett Clarke wrote:
PTTP03 is now available on ttEDGE.com

Here's the link https://ttedge.com/videos/pttp03-playin ... -henzell-2


The bouncing.

The bouncing is so difficult for us adults I feel like. It's almost like it's something you have to learn as a child or you never do.

With that said I'll try to bounce after a backhand opener. Easy enough to practice too.


Bouncing between shots was my only TT improvement goal for 2018. Maybe I'm up to doing it 2 - 5% of the time. I guess my 2019 goal will be to get to 15%. It makes a big difference. There's almost no point to working on any other rally technique until I consistently do this. Serve and receive always, but rallying no.

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I used to think that bouncing between shots is a sort of "silver bullet" for improving footwork. But now it seems to me that the only way to really improve it is improving anticipation. Bouncing probably helps somehow, but it is unlikely the deciding factor (as Brett wrote n pages ago). What we observe while watching the top players is the bouncing between shots. What we don't observe are the neural paths in their heads being activated as they are watching the ball. Obviously we cannot imitate the latter, so we are trying to imitate what we observe (with a predictable result).

On a side note, I often see a very interesting effect. After I return from a tournament, especially one that lasts at least two days, I feel like for some time my anticipation and game reading abilities improve a lot for a few days or so. It is like I can see ball very clearly, and can even move in advance to the right position. The effect dissipates soon, but it is a very unusual experience. This is probably the reason why some people advocate playing a small tourney before an important one.

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Bouncing maybe is a little bit of a comical mental image and sounds trivial. How important is it to be in a balanced posture before moving and executing a shot?

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Of course it is important to be balanced, but is possible to be balanced without bouncing, though it does help.

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<snip>After I return from a tournament, especially one that lasts at least two days, I feel like for some time my anticipation and game reading abilities improve a lot for a few days or so. It is like I can see ball very clearly, and can even move in advance to the right position. The effect dissipates soon, but it is a very unusual experience.<snip>


Great observation. Back in my low-skilled mountain biking days (I was more a road cyclist), I was part of a team in a 24-hour race on a course that was more technical than what I was normally comfortable with. Yet I stayed on the bike for the majority of the course, because I wanted to do well for the team, and not hold up people behind me by dismounting and walking.

When I went back to my local track, everything felt easier.

But over time, and with less riding, that sense of ease wore off.

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