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Somehow when I try to lunge a bit more it feels good but contact with the ball and timing gets distorted. The stroke feels and looks good but results in a flat hit. Gotta post a video soon.

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I don't know about the "after their technique is solid" part, but here is my first attempt at DTT6. My partner can serve long or short, as long as it's backspin. I edited out the missed serves and receives, which were way too many. If my quick count was right I made 31 opens and missed 12. That sounds okay, but I only won 23 points, out of 43 barely over 50%. Between missing and getting blocked down, there were some runs of losing 5 points in a row. That's basically a set gone, and it would be hard for me to keep opening after that in a real match with any pressure. Shows the need for the drill I guess.


This is a few minutes of all fh opens vs a long backspin anywhere feed. I've been doing this drill for a while without it noticeably changing my real-world behavior. It does seem to keep my fh form a bit more on track though, so it isn't completely useless.

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Consider playing less against fast plain vanilla pushes and ask her to challenge you with pushes that come off the side of the table that you get to late. Or challenge yourself by letting the ball drop a little and taking it late.

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The backhand it looks slow and tentative, like you were at 10-10 in game 1. I know I've seen you do higher bat speed. I'm watching this while I type and I just realized that it's the backhand that is creating errors or easy to block. The forehand looks pretty good.

It's practice and I think you should really look to spin the crap out of that ball. I've been working with some guys on Saturdays and I have a little game where I see if I can spin it so much that it just spins off their block and I get to catch it.

Save the tentative play for matches


https://youtu.be/52C33Cq2JyQ?t=123 Watch it at quarter speed and you'll see some issues.

Thanks for watching. I watch frame-by-frame and believe me I see issues. I didn't post it thinking it was good.

On the bh I am actively trying to take a longer, more relaxed stroke, which for now means slower. A frequent poster here said my old bh stroke was too short, which was true. I'll try to speed it up once I get the contact right. What bothered me more was the swing plane, dropping down and then almost straight up, it's wrong.

And I disagree, to me the fh is worse, it really sucks. I'm constantly pulling myself off balance, up back sideways, everywhere but the direction I want the ball to go. A frequent poster told me maintaining body position was unimportant and all in my head. That was wrong. I use another drill to work on that, but it's too horrible.

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Which drill do you mean, or both? This partner has a predisposition to try to make the drill work, instead of trying to win on the push. Part of that is we get 6-8 minutes for each drill, that's it. Then we rotate, since there are three of us on the table.

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Well there you go - work on balance and the backhand loop. The forehand looks better to me because you do a full stroke - I guess it's harder to see balance issues on video. Look at 4:05 - you had some impressive whip on that ball! So even off balance and all of that you still execute a nice whip like forehand. Miles from the old old videos. Give yourself some credit!

The drill description and the approach of your partner explain why it hasn't changed anything in your real matches. She needs to throw in a topspin ball occasionally to surprise you, maybe push with no spin sometimes or sidespin and sometimes make the ball half long or very wide. That's what I am trying to say. One thing that used to really help my game was practicing against my old coach's receive. He had this annoying mix of flicks, dead blocks and pushes and backhand loops that would keep me off balance as well as the conventional stuff. After practicing against that for an hour, dealing with people who would just push the ball into the middle of the table was a joke.

The backhand form looked good, nice consistency, you just need to time the whip from the wrist a little better so that you get more spin from the motion. But since I was likely that member who requested the change, I guess I should stop the self congratulation...

As a general note and to Russ, backspin is not topspin, if you take short strokes vs backspin, you can lose your confidence quickly against the right level of opponent.

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Actually thr backhand can use some improvement, the finishing position is too abbreviated too often which might be what Russ is seeing. You need to swing past t he ball but you keep stopping at it.

It might sound crazy but I tend to hit my backhand very close to where my swing starts.

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I'm confused. So you should take a short swing? Or you shouldn't? Anyway all of my analysis was on the first video. The second video didn't feel match-like. The first video did.

Your analysis was spot on.

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Fair point on the drill. I've been asking for more half-long balls to improve against the specific opponent and situation I mentioned earlier. Since I fail at such a high rate in more complex drills, this simple one is as much a confidence-booster as anything else. But given very limited practice reps I should do more with it as you suggest.

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Good input, thanks.

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I think it all looks pretty good. LTT6 isn't about playing rallies btw. It should be more like multiball as the focus needs to be on push and then attack.

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I've been doing the push -> push -> loop multiball drill in some form or another for about a month now with anyone who will play ball.

Last night I don't think I missed a forehand loop from backspin/dead in about 2 hours of play. It feels like a weapon that's reliable.

The backhand used to be the go to but now I see the light.

I did over-stretch/exhaust my tricep tho. Any ideas on how to minimize this coach? I'm pretty sure it was caused by an inside/out loop that I got a little jammed on.