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Progress on the pivot so far.



It seems that a common theme is that moving to the forehand side is challenging and moving to the backhand feels more natural. I noticed just how tired my left leg is after even a bit of training - which is the leg that needs to do much of the work to move to the forehand side.


That's funny, I have always found the opposite. It's much easier to move to my right than back to my left. I'm not only talking about the easier reach on the fh side, it's just harder to get my legs going back to the bh side.


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BRS wrote:
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Progress on the pivot so far.



It seems that a common theme is that moving to the forehand side is challenging and moving to the backhand feels more natural. I noticed just how tired my left leg is after even a bit of training - which is the leg that needs to do much of the work to move to the forehand side.


That's funny, I have always found the opposite. It's much easier to move to my right than back to my left. I'm not only talking about the easier reach on the fh side, it's just harder to get my legs going back to the bh side.


Yeah it's a small sample size that I'm working with. I'm going to stick with my theory for now, always some left hander odd balls out there (who flip video to make it look like they're right handed too...) ;)

I struggle to move, prepare for a loop and execute a quality loop on both sides. Pretty clunky. Just more clunky on the forehand side. I'm taking the approach of doing a few sets of 20 on each side daily and not getting too tired as my technique suffers even more and that's no good.

Like all exercises should get easier over time and become normal.


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I used to agree with exactly what you said Russ, more so because I prefer to pivot than to cross but I ended up concluding that while the strength of the right foot favors the pivot, it becomes about practice and serving as my cross is technically better, but I serve more pendulum and no spin. LTT42 helps a lot and I practiced so much that I don't have basic two step footwork when going to my forehand side so I am using DTT7 to build it for the first time. I suspect that if my knees were fully right, I would serve more reverse serves and backhand serves because I prefer to attack off the cross.


I prefer LTT42 footwork in general. I think it's worth learning DTT7, though I normally try to use LTT42 and the semi cross footwork mentioned in DTT7. There will be a lot more on footwork over the next few months.

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[quote="fastmover"]Progress on the pivot so far.
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It's pretty good progress. I think you'll keep improving if you just keep doing it.

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BRS wrote:
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Progress on the pivot so far.



It seems that a common theme is that moving to the forehand side is challenging and moving to the backhand feels more natural. I noticed just how tired my left leg is after even a bit of training - which is the leg that needs to do much of the work to move to the forehand side.


That's funny, I have always found the opposite. It's much easier to move to my right than back to my left. I'm not only talking about the easier reach on the fh side, it's just harder to get my legs going back to the bh side.


I almost always use semi cross when moving towards the forehand side. I watched Waldner a lot as a kid and he mostly used semi cross in matches. For this reason, I've always found it easier to move towards the forehand when compared to making a pivot. Also, I only really thought about what was optimal when pivoting after I retired from competition, which is pretty sad. LTT42 is a good video.

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Brett Clarke wrote:
I almost always use semi cross when moving towards the forehand side. I watched Waldner a lot as a kid and he mostly used semi cross in matches. For this reason, I've always found it easier to move towards the forehand when compared to making a pivot. Also, I only really thought about what was optimal when pivoting after I retired from competition, which is pretty sad. LTT42 is a good video.


When I returned to the sport three years ago, I'd been using cross footwork all the time. With time I adopted the onestep, but I still cross over a lot. I really like balls to my deep forehand as it feels very natural to move there and reach for them. It also feels very good.

At the same time, pivot feels a bit awkward because I have long arms and it is difficult to get away from the ball to get the space. In the video I posted I still get jammed a bit, probably because I don't move wide enough. Hopefully with time I will get stronger and it won't be an issue.


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Brett Clarke wrote:
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I used to agree with exactly what you said Russ, more so because I prefer to pivot than to cross but I ended up concluding that while the strength of the right foot favors the pivot, it becomes about practice and serving as my cross is technically better, but I serve more pendulum and no spin. LTT42 helps a lot and I practiced so much that I don't have basic two step footwork when going to my forehand side so I am using DTT7 to build it for the first time. I suspect that if my knees were fully right, I would serve more reverse serves and backhand serves because I prefer to attack off the cross.


I prefer LTT42 footwork in general. I think it's worth learning DTT7, though I normally try to use LTT42 and the semi cross footwork mentioned in DTT7. There will be a lot more on footwork over the next few months.


Now I don't feel so guilty. The main reason that I guess DTT7 helps is that it feels natural when you are early. With the semi-cross step, I am always waiting to time the ball in the air and I am not sure whether that is the best way to approach every ball. I should have the option of getting there on time and playing a stroke, shouldn't I? OR maybe there is a way to arrive early with LTT42 and delay the swing? If so, I might be crazy but I will kiss the basic 2 step goodbye as it doesn't do anything for me per se.

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I used to agree with exactly what you said Russ, more so because I prefer to pivot than to cross but I ended up concluding that while the strength of the right foot favors the pivot, it becomes about practice and serving as my cross is technically better, but I serve more pendulum and no spin. LTT42 helps a lot and I practiced so much that I don't have basic two step footwork when going to my forehand side so I am using DTT7 to build it for the first time. I suspect that if my knees were fully right, I would serve more reverse serves and backhand serves because I prefer to attack off the cross.


I prefer LTT42 footwork in general. I think it's worth learning DTT7, though I normally try to use LTT42 and the semi cross footwork mentioned in DTT7. There will be a lot more on footwork over the next few months.


Now I don't feel so guilty. The main reason that I guess DTT7 helps is that it feels natural when you are early. With the semi-cross step, I am always waiting to time the ball in the air and I am not sure whether that is the best way to approach every ball. I should have the option of getting there on time and playing a stroke, shouldn't I? OR maybe there is a way to arrive early with LTT42 and delay the swing? If so, I might be crazy but I will kiss the basic 2 step goodbye as it doesn't do anything for me per se.


There is no way to arrive early with LTT42 footwork. It requires perfect timing with your left leg still in the air. In instances where you can arrive very early (playing against a chopper for example), you can side-step into position.

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LTT73 and DTT8 are available on ttEDGE.com

I use LTT73 very often, so I've included it. DTT8 is one of my favorite exercises to help intermediate players improve.

Next week's LTT is a forehand flick review. It's amazing how many people mess up the forehand flick. The following week is about semi-cross footwork in both LTT and DTT

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I used to agree with exactly what you said Russ, more so because I prefer to pivot than to cross but I ended up concluding that while the strength of the right foot favors the pivot, it becomes about practice and serving as my cross is technically better, but I serve more pendulum and no spin. LTT42 helps a lot and I practiced so much that I don't have basic two step footwork when going to my forehand side so I am using DTT7 to build it for the first time. I suspect that if my knees were fully right, I would serve more reverse serves and backhand serves because I prefer to attack off the cross.


I prefer LTT42 footwork in general. I think it's worth learning DTT7, though I normally try to use LTT42 and the semi cross footwork mentioned in DTT7. There will be a lot more on footwork over the next few months.


Now I don't feel so guilty. The main reason that I guess DTT7 helps is that it feels natural when you are early. With the semi-cross step, I am always waiting to time the ball in the air and I am not sure whether that is the best way to approach every ball. I should have the option of getting there on time and playing a stroke, shouldn't I? OR maybe there is a way to arrive early with LTT42 and delay the swing? If so, I might be crazy but I will kiss the basic 2 step goodbye as it doesn't do anything for me per se.


I think DTT7 is mostly about getting your body used to moving quickly and keeping balance.

The one time I see the DTT7 as most useful is against backspin. You'll have time to get there and then execute a nice shot still balanced. "ETTS06 - Executing table tennis shots part 6 - Serve Recovery" sort of touched on this idea.

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Brett Clarke wrote:
LTT73 and DTT8 are available on ttEDGE.com

I use LTT73 very often, so I've included it. DTT8 is one of my favorite exercises to help intermediate players improve.

Next week's LTT is a forehand flick review. It's amazing how many people mess up the forehand flick. The following week is about semi-cross footwork in both LTT and DTT



Mine is a forehand roll. Baby steps right?


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wilkinru wrote:
I think DTT7 is mostly about getting your body used to moving quickly and keeping balance.


I agree. It's an introduction to moving.

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wilkinru wrote:
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LTT73 and DTT8 are available on ttEDGE.com

I use LTT73 very often, so I've included it. DTT8 is one of my favorite exercises to help intermediate players improve.

Next week's LTT is a forehand flick review. It's amazing how many people mess up the forehand flick. The following week is about semi-cross footwork in both LTT and DTT



Mine is a forehand roll. Baby steps right?


I think you are talking about the forehand flick, Russ? If so, there's a specific way to play the shot and everyone seems to make a similar mistake. Hopefully LTT74 helps.

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Brett Clarke wrote:
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LTT73 and DTT8 are available on ttEDGE.com

I use LTT73 very often, so I've included it. DTT8 is one of my favorite exercises to help intermediate players improve.

Next week's LTT is a forehand flick review. It's amazing how many people mess up the forehand flick. The following week is about semi-cross footwork in both LTT and DTT



Mine is a forehand roll. Baby steps right?


I think you are talking about the forehand flick, Russ? If so, there's a specific way to play the shot and everyone seems to make a similar mistake. Hopefully LTT74 helps.


Yeah. It's quite a challenging shot for me. I have to react to a short ball, figure out the spin, move my foot, contact at the top of the bounce with a good snap. Honestly it's a lot to tackle and much can go wrong. It's something I never attempted until say 9 months ago. I would say playing over the table is without a doubt a struggle for me.

With that said even a bad forehand flick can win points...so I'm interested in improving it.


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It's funny to see the backhand helper as that is pretty much how I approach it. Against topspin, I tend to backswing more to the left as a right hander as I have serious problems playing over the ball when I backswing towards myself. Against the backspin ball, it doesn't matter as much whether I go left or right as long as I go down. But against topspin, I struggle to go backwards without going down unless I pull up to the left.

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