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Author:  Brett Clarke [ 07 Aug 2017, 08:55 ]
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fastmover wrote:
ETTS41 prompts to enter a password, something related to Vimeo?.

LTT77 is great! What I notice is that at club level even if the ball is genuinely short, it is often high enough to be forehand-loopable. However, often during the first matches of a tournament I am seriously afraid of looping the long serves due to possible spin misreading mistakes. I have to constantly hammer my mind to change this attitude and usually relax in next games/matches.


ETTS41 now works.

Being aggressive against serves is an important step. If you get good enough at it, you'll move up to play opponents who can actually serve short sometimes.

I wrote this in the forum about a year ago, so I'll say it again. When we filmed William's Tomahawk serve for the Table Tennis Edge app, it took him 10-20 serves to get it short. The pressure of lights and cameras in his face was enough to tip the balance and make him incapable of serving short. I'd say that William's Tomahawk serve was one of the most accurate serves in the world, at the time.

Author:  fastmover [ 07 Aug 2017, 09:12 ]
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LTT71 also makes a great advice for coaching friends during the tournaments. I saw momentum shifting in matches when people started looping half-long serves. And watch the last point of this match (15:47). Ok, I am done with posting videos of pros.


Author:  Brett Clarke [ 07 Aug 2017, 09:22 ]
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fastmover wrote:
LTT71 also makes a great advice for coaching friends during the tournaments. I saw momentum shifting in matches when people started looping half-long serves. And watch the last point of this match (15:47). Ok, I am done with posting videos of pros.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyHGtcIHGZw


No one is immune to this stuff, even if they have the touch, accuracy and skill of Freitas.

Next week's DTT video is about training to serve short under pressure. It's a drill I use with elite players.

Author:  fastmover [ 07 Aug 2017, 09:47 ]
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Brett Clarke wrote:

Being aggressive against serves is an important step. If you get good enough at it, you'll move up to play opponents who can actually serve short sometimes.



Before moving up I have to figure out how to deal with counterattackers and blockers (hello juniors) that literally wait for the serve to be attacked to get into the rally they want. At this moment I am so preoccupied with handling the spin and moving into position so that I make mechanistic and predictable placements. I guess improving this is a part of "getting good enough at it".

Author:  BRS [ 07 Aug 2017, 10:06 ]
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LTT 77 is really useful, as in, without having to practice it for 5,000 hours before being useful. I just got back from a camp and they wanted me to receive in a more aggressive forehand ready position and look for the serve to be long. One coach said "If it turns out to be short and you are late getting in, that's okay, just push long and get ready to block. But make them prove they can serve short before you worry about it."

Today in my weekly practice with Kent I could still loop serves that were going to bounce a second time on the last two or three inches of the table, they were high enough if the swing was very horizontal. Unfortunately this was such a novel idea that I sent about 70% of them long off the table, but that's what practice matches are for anyway.

Author:  NextLevel [ 07 Aug 2017, 11:20 ]
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Brett Clarke wrote:

This video demonstrates the importance of having a coach/multiball feeder/flexible training partner.

In China, for example, they have lots of coaches and trainers feeding balls to current players. This makes an enormous difference as you can practice the things you really need to win matches. If NL had someone feeding high, slow, spinny topspins all day, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's just super difficult to find this type of training in a club environment. Then it suddenly becomes a technical question rather than a training issue.

Say we make a DTT video with the trainer spinning up high loops and the player countering them, who is going to do this for you in the club?


I have a practice partner for two weeks I just need to know the track.

Author:  goodtechnique [ 07 Aug 2017, 22:00 ]
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Hi Brett,

Just watched ETTS 41 and when you mentioned the forearm needing to be on the same line as the upper arm, the little light went on inside my head. I always wondered why in shadow play with the forehand, moving the forearm down and backwards along a vertical plane looked and felt great, but trying it at the table felt terrible. I think I understand why now - I didn't realise that the forearm needs to remain in line with the shoulder as it turns with the body. Maybe it explains why some professionals appear to be bringing the elbow close to the body during the backswing on the forehand: it's just a by-product of keeping the forearm in line with the shoulder.

Don't know whether this understanding is correct, but I'm anxiously awaiting a video on this topic. I feel it could go a long way to helping those of us who are struggling to get the feeling of these whip mechanics.

Author:  wilkinru [ 08 Aug 2017, 05:02 ]
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You aren't as bad as your worst match.

Must say this to myself a few times today.

Author:  fastmover [ 08 Aug 2017, 13:03 ]
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After tonight's league I notice one thing. I often struggle to loop long (or half long serves) because it takes me a lot of time to figure out the spin. What happens: the opponent serves, I am confused by the spin, I take a closer look at the ball, look and look again, then realize what is on the ball. After that I decide to loop, but it is too late, I am in panic, so I decide to push/chop the serve which inevitably goes long (most of the time on the table though). Maybe I should let the ball drop more and spin the falling ball. Or it will just get better with time.

Author:  fastmover [ 08 Aug 2017, 13:45 ]
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NextLevel wrote:
Need a video and drills on how to attack high slow spinny topspins. I keep hitting them long if I take them late and I am almost compelled to take them late.


I think that TE10 at TTEdge is exactly about it.

Author:  wilkinru [ 09 Aug 2017, 01:50 ]
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fastmover wrote:
After tonight's league I notice one thing. I often struggle to loop long (or half long serves) because it takes me a lot of time to figure out the spin. What happens: the opponent serves, I am confused by the spin, I take a closer look at the ball, look and look again, then realize what is on the ball. After that I decide to loop, but it is too late, I am in panic, so I decide to push/chop the serve which inevitably goes long (most of the time on the table though). Maybe I should let the ball drop more and spin the falling ball. Or it will just get better with time.


This is why the TTedge app on serves makes you respond faster and faster when the difficulty goes up. Don't respond in time just means in a match you wont have time to return the serve well.

Author:  fastmover [ 13 Aug 2017, 03:59 ]
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What kind of serve pattern of the four from LTT75 it is?


Author:  Brett Clarke [ 13 Aug 2017, 07:46 ]
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fastmover wrote:
What kind of serve pattern of the four from LTT75 it is?



It's a whip pattern and it's a really good one.

To make your serve better, try to contact the ball closer to your lower right chest so your forearm goes in a perfectly straight line. Can I make an ETTS video with your footage to show you exactly what I mean?

Author:  fastmover [ 13 Aug 2017, 08:45 ]
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Brett Clarke wrote:
. Can I make an ETTS video with your footage to show you exactly what I mean?


Go ahead. Just one question: is it the amount of effort I should put in the serve in a match under pressure? I feel like I need to slow it down by at least to 30% to keep the ball low. If I use the same effort, the ball usually bounces too high that gives my opponent an opportunity for a very sharp push that I hate.

Author:  Brett Clarke [ 13 Aug 2017, 08:57 ]
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fastmover wrote:
Brett Clarke wrote:
. Can I make an ETTS video with your footage to show you exactly what I mean?


Go ahead. Just one question: is it the amount of effort I should put in the serve in a match under pressure? I feel like I need to slow it down by at least to 30% to keep the ball low. If I use the same effort, the ball usually bounces too high that gives my opponent an opportunity for a very sharp push that I hate.


I just realized that you feel your serve is primarily a sidespin serve and I think it's a backspin serve, with a little sidespin.

The answer to your question is to watch DTT12 on Sunday night US time and start doing the drill. Doing DTT12 will teach you everything you need to know about serving short in a match.

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