OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 22 Sep 2019, 10:57


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 85 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Author Message
PostPosted: 07 May 2019, 11:31 
Offline
Modern Chiseler.
Modern Chiseler.
User avatar

Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 06:49
Posts: 10910
Location: USA
Has thanked: 405 times
Been thanked: 477 times
Blade: A. Grubba ALL+
FH: Reflectoid 1mm
BH: DG ox, TM ox
I think they should allow thicker sponge and longer pips to compensate for the larger ball. We are still using specifications intended for the 38mm ball! Time for an update.

Also allow frictionless for all rubbers. It's unfair that inverted can be frictionless but not pips.

_________________



The MNNB Blog has had some pretty amazing stuff lately. Just click this text to check it out.
| My OOAK Interview
Table Tennis Video Links: itTV | laola1.tv | ttbl | fftt | Challenger Series | mnnb-tv

No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you.
Homer J. Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 

PostPosted: 08 May 2019, 01:47 
Offline
Joo Too
Joo Too
User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2008, 18:31
Posts: 3827
Location: Dendermonde, Belgium
Has thanked: 1005 times
Been thanked: 518 times
Blade: BTY Joo Se Hyuk ST
FH: Victas VS>401 2.0 R
BH: TSP Curl P1-R 1.5 B
mynamenotbob wrote:
I think they should allow thicker sponge and longer pips to compensate for the larger ball. We are still using specifications intended for the 38mm ball! Time for an update.

Also allow frictionless for all rubbers. It's unfair that inverted can be frictionless but not pips.


True that.

_________________
There's always stuff to improve!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 May 2019, 07:38 
Offline
Chop, Rock, & Roll
User avatar

Joined: 10 Nov 2007, 22:13
Posts: 776
Location: Huelva (Spain)
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 8 times
My two cents after coming back to TT last season:

I played since 38mm era as a spin based player, and it has never been as easy as now for an attacker to open up my backspin shots close to the table, now they just can shot through it without even lifting the ball. As I predicted when 40mm ball came, direct play will come back on top and SP players will rise again, and this is even more accurate after the shift to ABS balls. What surprised me more was that it wasn't China who made the move (probably because they are still a galaxy above mortals), but Sweden with Matthias Falck.

China will have soon SP hitters @ international level.

As for defenders, someone said amateur level is still there and I agree with that, I've never played so much against pip players as I did this year on lower leagues (only one team didn't have a single "material" player, meaning LP, MP or anti). It's sad to admit, but all changes since the ratio restriction on LP's have hurt defensive players more than the attackers.

_________________
Darker 7P-2A.DF - SpinLord Marder I 1.8mm/TSP P1-R 0.6mm
Darker 7P-2A.DF - SpinLord Marder II 1.8mm/TSP P1-R 0.6mm
Above 65% W/L ratio this season, YAY!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 May 2019, 11:29 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 8383
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1010 times
Er, I think it's dangerous to make predictions based on ONE world champs... and second place at that. Did Yoo's second place so many years ago result in a flood of choppers? If Falck repeats again next year - or even gets into the top four - then I'd say there might be a trend towards short pips. I'd be even more convinced if he makes it into the top five ranking-wise in the next year. Even so it'll just be a few players who take it up - we're not going to regress back to the late 1960s where the Chinese all played with short pips.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2019, 02:11 
Offline
Joo Too
Joo Too
User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2008, 18:31
Posts: 3827
Location: Dendermonde, Belgium
Has thanked: 1005 times
Been thanked: 518 times
Blade: BTY Joo Se Hyuk ST
FH: Victas VS>401 2.0 R
BH: TSP Curl P1-R 1.5 B
iskandar taib wrote:
Er, I think it's dangerous to make predictions based on ONE world champs... and second place at that. Did Yoo's second place so many years ago result in a flood of choppers? If Falck repeats again next year - or even gets into the top four - then I'd say there might be a trend towards short pips. I'd be even more convinced if he makes it into the top five ranking-wise in the next year. Even so it'll just be a few players who take it up - we're not going to regress back to the late 1960s where the Chinese all played with short pips.

Iskandar


Not until the best Chinese will be defeated by a flat hitter. In that case China will adapt or adopt. I think Nittaku is right: there'll be Chinese SP hitters again soon, but not within five or ten years.

_________________
There's always stuff to improve!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2019, 02:25 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 8383
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1010 times
I think the Chinese situation is a lot more fluid than you make out. Who gets to play isn't solely based on the coaches and managers, or who gets beat by other international players. Players actually do come up through the ranks, the good ones are the ones who beat other players at the provincial level, and then make a name for themselves playing for provincial teams in national tournaments and leagues. The national coaches and managers do make selections and determine which of the best players get onto the international stage, but they'll pick the ones who beat the others. And at the provincial levels, there will be a number of choppers and a ton of short pips hitters. If this new ball means that the short pips hitters suddenly start beating the other players, then these players will appear on the Chinese National Team. So far I have not seen any indication that this is the case. If it does happen you'll see one or two of them being given a chance to appear internationally. I can't think of any, and we've had plenty of time with the 40+ ball already.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2019, 07:41 
Offline
Joo Too
Joo Too
User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2008, 18:31
Posts: 3827
Location: Dendermonde, Belgium
Has thanked: 1005 times
Been thanked: 518 times
Blade: BTY Joo Se Hyuk ST
FH: Victas VS>401 2.0 R
BH: TSP Curl P1-R 1.5 B
iskandar taib wrote:
I think the Chinese situation is a lot more fluid than you make out. Who gets to play isn't solely based on the coaches and managers, or who gets beat by other international players. Players actually do come up through the ranks, the good ones are the ones who beat other players at the provincial level, and then make a name for themselves playing for provincial teams in national tournaments and leagues. The national coaches and managers do make selections and determine which of the best players get onto the international stage, but they'll pick the ones who beat the others. And at the provincial levels, there will be a number of choppers and a ton of short pips hitters. If this new ball means that the short pips hitters suddenly start beating the other players, then these players will appear on the Chinese National Team. So far I have not seen any indication that this is the case. If it does happen you'll see one or two of them being given a chance to appear internationally. I can't think of any, and we've had plenty of time with the 40+ ball already.

Iskandar


There is at least one, though. Yan Sheng.


_________________
There's always stuff to improve!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 23 May 2019, 12:12 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 8383
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1010 times
Can you make out the rubber? RITC something... 802? And wonder what's on the reverse.. probably Tenergy like everyone else.. :lol:

Doesn't look like he's in the top 100 yet, or if he's even been given a chance to play for China as yet.

http://results.ittf.link/index.php?opti ... Itemid=206

Shock!! Zhang Jike is now.. number 90??????? Wow.. Last played in July 2018. And took second place at the Japan Open in June 2018.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 02 Sep 2019, 20:14 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 17 Jul 2013, 17:01
Posts: 552
Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 102 times
Blade: Joola CWX
FH: Joola rhyzm 2.1
BH: Troublemaker ox
Defenders are doing well in the new list. :rock: http://results.ittf.link/index.php?opti ... Itemid=206

WANG Yang (112735) 33
GIONIS Panagiotis (103107) 36
FILUS Ruwen (102761) 40
MA Te (117805) 167

I am not sure why European players are so much higher than Ma Te, Since I have a feeling that I have seen more Ma Te in big tournaments than others... :o


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 04 Sep 2019, 02:01 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 8383
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1010 times
But how long ago?

Have to look up Joo's ranking... hmm.. he doesn't come up. Wonder if he's not played in a while.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 85 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: wilkinru and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2018 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




Don't forget to 'LIKE' our forum on Facebook if you enjoy the content: