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Are there any examples of CLASSIC DEFENDER SP choppers?

What about Classic Def who use extremely grippy LP choppers (more grippy than P-1R, like FL3 or P4 with 1.0mm sponge). Only one I can think of is Viktoria Pavlovich who uses FL3 and attacks seldomly.

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Ding Song.

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Ding Song was great and did use short pips, but in my opinion belongs not in the "classic defender" group, but instead one of the first generation of choppers with a really dangerous forehand attack.

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well, yes,

that also because the difference between classical and modern defender is continuous, not discreet.

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At one point I know Pavlovich used butterfly short pips. I think challenger defense. I always felt like fl 3 played very much more inverted like than any long pop I tried so it probably was just a tiny bit easier for her to use fl 3 I'm guessing.

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Well, absent the OP assigning some strict definition it's a matter of opinion and semantics, so I used the phrase "in my opinion".
But the video is useful in getting a feel for his style, I think.

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Well, while I offered no specific criteria, I'd say that koji matsushita is at the upper limits of Classic D. Ding song is also at the very top of the Classic D or very bottom of the Modern D spectrum. I tend to agree with the examples I've seen, he skews more Modern D but it's all subjective and dependent of the opponents etc etc, so it's valid to see him on this list. There are clear modern defenders like Joo or Chen.

Chtchetinine is the quintessential Classic Chopper in my mind, but I've even seen him act very modern D-ish given the right weaker opponent.

Jo Parker (Drinkhall) is also classical not modern IMO but double inverted.

I'm just really looking for examples of SP or Very Grippy LP Classic choppers, so give your examples and I'll decide for myself if they are appropriate.

Wu Yang is one, I just thought of, again, she's at the upper limit of classic d IMO in terms of how often she attacks.

If a chopper exclusively fishes/guides/loops on the FH, to me that excludes them from the Classic D category.

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I think long pips are safer. I've used fl3 and p4 before. They are easy to use in genreral I think. Predictable for the user. If you mix deadish chops from your reflectiod or add spin to backspin on that side you could be very successful. Many modern defenders are chopping forehand lately. I think the weight of some of the new balls is helping with this. Just play the game you wanna play. Fl3 Won't givemore backspin but could possibly change the range of your chops in an effective way. Also if you can get more balls on the table it's worth changing.

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Thanks tabesamis. I have experience with Grippy Long Pip chopping but not much with SP, so between 1.0mm FL3 and 802 or spectol, how much more control did you feel vs. spin? What I DO have a lot of experience in is double inverted chopping with reflectoid on the BH, so I'm not completely foreign to the idea of not having as "safe" a BH vs. spin, but with much more variation and spin generation vs. low spin. That being said, I was actually surprised at how safe reflectoid was given it's inverted.

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You can't compare FL3 and 802....at all...LP and SP are different beasts...

If you are thinking of 802 I would suggest you compare it to inverted chopping. Not LP chopping.

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I'm using 802 on my FH atm. Was doing FH chopping drills with my coach today. Entirely unlike LP in general, and entirely unlike FL3. I found it comparatively difficult to use, by contrast with Degu and also 651. However, when my technique was good, and I managed to brush the ball quickly, I could impart a lot of spin, very effectively. I mean a ton of spin - seriously loaded. I'm far far away from being able to do this consistently on my FH, but on the occasions when I got into a good position, and managed the optimal action, I was very pleased with it.

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As stated it is completely different. I've tried 802, thicker sponged spectol, and 563. I felt 563 was more forgiving but 802 had more possibilities. Had spectol been thinner it would have helped... Long pips are easier for me and I twiddle.

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