OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
Live Table Tennis Videos Table Tennis News Live OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 26 Jul 2017, 17:59


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Consistency frustrations
PostPosted: 15 Mar 2017, 19:02 
Offline
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
User avatar

Joined: 09 Nov 2012, 23:15
Posts: 1656
Location: Newcastle, UK
Has thanked: 153 times
Been thanked: 133 times
Blade: BTY Innershield
FH: BTY Tenergy 64 (2.1)
BH: TSP Spectol (1.7)
Hi all :)

I'm looking for some advice!

I have most certainly hit a "plateau" in form/ability this season. I think that's a combination of a few things - a) my coach no longer does sessions near enough to where I live (e.g. within 20 miles) so I never see him, b) I started playing golf pretty seriously, especially over the summer and kinda burnt TT out in the process and c) I'm not getting much of an opportunity to do "focused practice".

I've also had some equipment issues this season. I started the season with H3/P1-R on a Defence Pro until I went to try and return a high smash, caught the blade in the club's net (divides the hall into match/practice) and it broke clean in half. Since then I've tried various blade/rubber combinations and couldn't settle at all. Finally I found my "perfect" forehand rubber (T64 on a Butterfly Innershield blade), only to find that when I put different pimples on my backhand, it transformed the properties of the forehand rubber and I could no longer control it. Soooo since then I've settled on a setup that I don't like but is effective - I can control it.

On Monday night I went to the club and played practice matches with 3 good players. One of them is a ~40% Premier (top division) player, one is ~55% and a teammate, the other is a ~80% player. I lost about 5 ends and won nearly 20. Chopping wasn't brilliant but I was looping really well.

Last night I went into a league match and won my first against a guy who I've never beaten - but in fairness, I haven't played him in about 3 years and he hasn't really been playing much.

Second match, against a player who I haven't lost against in 6 or 7 matches now... I got 3-0'd. Couldn't keep a forehand on the table. Every single one off the end. In the first end, that amounted to 6 points. I stopped counting after that, probably too busy raging at myself.

Third match, against a very good O60s SP/SP player, I lost 3-1. I wasn't particularly close in the first two ends but I felt like I'd worked him out a bit in the third - and beat him comprehensively. Then guess what happens in the fourth? I served off no less than 4 times. He won 11-9.

ASdnhasdfkjhaskdhasdhaskhdaskdhaskdsahkjdhasjkdfhasdkjdhask <-- that's a small representation of my frustrations

I hasten to add, there was no "expectations" issues here. I genuinely didn't *expect* to win but I did believe that I *could* win if I played well.

Here are my issues - long-running themes throughout my development.
  • Basically anything with the pimples. I seem to mis-hit the ball a lot, even on pushes. I seem to catch the top or bottom of the rubber more often than the middle which kills all the pace off the ball and invariably goes into the net. It's rare that I miss a chop off the end of the table unless I'm caught out (e.g. stuck close to the table and opponent opens up unexpectedly)
  • Forehand consistency. My forehand is my main weapon (because clearly I can't rely on my pimples). It can go from being absolutely immense to just giving my opponent point after point after point. I'm a pure looper, I don't flat-hit

I can chop all day against a decent looper... but when I come up against someone who serves with no spin, pushes and then "baby loops", I'm absolutely awful - presumably because I don't ever practice against players like that. In my experience, if I practice against a player like that, they tend not to play that way in practice! They'll give me spinnier serves etc. but then in a match they just give me floaty rubbish because they're suddenly scared of the pimples.

I'm starting to get frustrated because I feel like I can't do enough to improve. How do I become better against a style I can't practice against?

How do I become more consistent in both of these respects?

_________________
[Old Gear/Other Setups] DHS Power G7, Adidas P7, Galaxy Mars v2, TSP Curl P1-R, Friendship 802, Butterfly Innershield, Xiom Omega IV Elite, Stiga Chop n' Drive, Butterfly Tenergy 64, Butterfly Tenergy 80, Butterfly Tenergy 05, Stiga Calibra LT Sound, Stiga Calibra Tour S, Tibhar Grass D.TecS
===========================
My blog: "Learning to play: as a modern defender": http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=22254


Top
 Profile  
 


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!

PostPosted: 15 Mar 2017, 20:04 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31313
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1438 times
Been thanked: 902 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
It sounds to me like you just need to get back into some practice session... which will improve your consistency and you'll get your confidence back, and things will fall back into place. No doubt you'll enjoy it more once you get back to some form too. If you keep playing without the practice sessions that you obviously used to rely on, you're just going to get more frustrated, and things will spiral downwards.
I certainly appreciate you're not happy with the equipment, but I suspect you'll adjust if you persist.... sorry, no magic bullets for you today. 8)

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Table Tennis Reviews / Articles | Table Guide | Robot Guide | Re-Impact Blades
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide | Novel way to glue OX pips


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 15 Mar 2017, 20:11 
Offline
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
User avatar

Joined: 09 Nov 2012, 23:15
Posts: 1656
Location: Newcastle, UK
Has thanked: 153 times
Been thanked: 133 times
Blade: BTY Innershield
FH: BTY Tenergy 64 (2.1)
BH: TSP Spectol (1.7)
haggisv wrote:
It sounds to me like you just need to get back into some practice session... which will improve your consistency and you'll get your confidence back, and things will fall back into place. No doubt you'll enjoy it more once you get back to some form too. If you keep playing without the practice sessions that you obviously used to rely on, you're just going to get more frustrated, and things will spiral downwards.
I certainly appreciate you're not happy with the equipment, but I suspect you'll adjust if you persist.... sorry, no magic bullets for you today. 8)

definitely not looking for magic bullets - I've grafted to get myself this far, I'm happy to continue grafting to improve. it's just difficult when I feel like I've gone backwards and can't find a way to start moving forwards again

the issue with practice isn't so much my choice. I'm still playing 3 evenings per week but my regular practice partner is missing a lot of the Friday sessions where we used to drill. when he does come along, he's not so interested in doing the drills - probably because they're hard work. nobody else at my club does multi-ball or drills, it's all just practices matches

... so what do I do?

_________________
[Old Gear/Other Setups] DHS Power G7, Adidas P7, Galaxy Mars v2, TSP Curl P1-R, Friendship 802, Butterfly Innershield, Xiom Omega IV Elite, Stiga Chop n' Drive, Butterfly Tenergy 64, Butterfly Tenergy 80, Butterfly Tenergy 05, Stiga Calibra LT Sound, Stiga Calibra Tour S, Tibhar Grass D.TecS
===========================
My blog: "Learning to play: as a modern defender": http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=22254


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Mar 2017, 06:46 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 20 Feb 2015, 14:37
Posts: 56
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 7 times
Blade: nitaku tenagy
FH: victas v15
BH: victas v15 soft
I drive 40 minutes for my coach. For me, 20 miles seems not much distance at all!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Mar 2017, 06:54 
Offline
Bytes worse than his Bark
User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2011, 12:25
Posts: 934
Location: Sydney, Australia
Has thanked: 42 times
Been thanked: 134 times
Blade: OldNittaku Carbon
FH: Evolution FX-P max
BH: Tenergy 05 max
I realise that you don't often come up against the style you are concerned about in practice matches, but even so I have these suggestions.

Turn "practice matches" into your opportunity to practice the shots you want to "drill". Don't just keep doing what you are comfortable with or what wins you points against those opponents. Don't obsess over who wins.

You mentioned not being happy with your pimples. Use them more or even exclusively in the matches and make the sort of shots that are giving you trouble. Hopefully this will give you more touch and confidence with them, and the shots you are currently unhappy with. Not being a pimples user I can't really advise much more.

Alternatively or in addition, work on your forehand consistency in a similar way. Is your loop going short or long or are you not reading the spin or not allowing enough leeway on the loop or ...? The answer to that question may tell you what you have to do in "practice matches".

What you call "floaty rubbish" is a tactic that you need to treat seriously. It is actually a tactic to deprive you of one of your weapons (I use it against some pimples players :) ). So you need to come up with a counter tactic.

I can't remember whether you twiddle, but if you do, then this might be the counter tactic to practise.

If you don't twiddle, how are you with the "floaty rubbish" on your forehand? If you are happy to deal with that sort of ball on your forehand, then you may need to step around to use it. Practise this in your "practice matches".

If neither twiddling nor stepping around are palatable, I suppose that you could try either placement or hitting with your pimples. Again practise these in "practice matches".

I am not a coach, nor play one on daytime TV, but I hope these ideas help. It is pretty much along the lines of "If all you get is lemons, use them to make lemonade".

_________________
Retriever (sometimes golden, but often leaden)
Moderator, Inverted Retriever Technique sub-forum - http://ooakforum.com/viewforum.php?f=74


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Mar 2017, 19:45 
Offline
LP Collector
LP Collector
User avatar

Joined: 01 Aug 2012, 06:57
Posts: 1789
Location: Hampshire, UK
Has thanked: 253 times
Been thanked: 185 times
Blade: Tibhar Defence Plus
FH: Stiga Mantra M 1.9
BH: Grass DtecS OX
I had a chat about this with my coach last night.

I'd watched him play last week against the reigning league champion, and win very easily indeed. In the whole match he maybe made one or two mistakes. Played one or two "winners". Everything else, and I mean everything, was change of pace and direction with LP, and precise, tactical placement.

We worked on this together. Keeping relaxed throughout the body, working on placement and consistency rather than extreme power and spin.

Then I played a practice match with one of the top players in my division, using the same ideas, and won. And not only won, but felt relaxed.

Not sure what applicable advice there is - other than to relax and make your focus more about getting the ball on the table first, somewhere difficult second, and worry about pace/spin last of all.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

_________________
"When one eye is fixed upon your destination, there is only one eye left with which to find the Way."

Read my blog: "LordCope's Latest Learnings Log": http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=24452


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Mar 2017, 19:56 
Offline
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
User avatar

Joined: 09 Nov 2012, 23:15
Posts: 1656
Location: Newcastle, UK
Has thanked: 153 times
Been thanked: 133 times
Blade: BTY Innershield
FH: BTY Tenergy 64 (2.1)
BH: TSP Spectol (1.7)
Retriever wrote:
Turn "practice matches" into your opportunity to practice the shots you want to "drill". Don't just keep doing what you are comfortable with or what wins you points against those opponents. Don't obsess over who wins.

Genuinely, I don't worry about who wins. I know I (roughly) counted my ends on Monday night's practice but that was purely because I was playing well so I started mentally thinking to myself "wow you're winning a lot of ends here" and then I referenced it purely for context in comparison to my woeful showing on Tuesday.

I've tried lots to do this. I spend probably 50 or 60% of my practice matches playing "defence only". I will always continue to do this because I think it's a really important part of my development. However, I have 2 specific issues with it: 1) Against weaker opponents it often means I don't get any kind of game because they're unable to loop my pushes and 2) Against the vast majority of opponents it makes a fun practice session turn into a pushathon. #2 is definitely my own personal issue - I should really just focus on pushing in those situations, possibly even think about varying the spin (e.g. floating the ball over to entice the opponent into attacking) but more often than not I just end up getting bored and looping.

Retriever wrote:
You mentioned not being happy with your pimples. Use them more or even exclusively in the matches and make the sort of shots that are giving you trouble. Hopefully this will give you more touch and confidence with them, and the shots you are currently unhappy with. Not being a pimples user I can't really advise much more.

I 102012010210% agree with this. I definitely need to use them more, especially in matches. Here's what tends to happen in my brain during a match. Speechmarks indicate my thoughts:

"Right dunc, make sure you get a feeling for your pimples straight away in this game"
*Opponent serves, I receive*
*Opponent pushes, ball pops up*
"HIT IT!!!!!!!!" (which, to be fair, is probably the right thing to do)

or:

*Opponent serves, I receive*
*Because it's pimples, opponent has served float or backspin, and now attempts to lash the ball*
"Oh God, I can't let them do that every shot, I need to get in first"

Retriever wrote:
Alternatively or in addition, work on your forehand consistency in a similar way. Is your loop going short or long or are you not reading the spin or not allowing enough leeway on the loop or ...? The answer to that question may tell you what you have to do in "practice matches".

This is one of the major problems I have - I rarely miss a loop in practice. I can honestly say it's nothing to do with reading spin but beyond that I couldn't tell you what the difference was.

Retriever wrote:
What you call "floaty rubbish" is a tactic that you need to treat seriously. It is actually a tactic to deprive you of one of your weapons (I use it against some pimples players :) ). So you need to come up with a counter tactic.

Sorry, yes, I have no problem with float serves at all as a tactic. I only call it "rubbish" because these players only give me such serves in a matchplay environment - clearly they want to use their normal serves against me, like they do in practice, but are scared to do so in matches because they might lose points.

Retriever wrote:
I can't remember whether you twiddle, but if you do, then this might be the counter tactic to practise.

I do twiddle, and I do step around. Twiddling is tough because it's an extra variable to go wrong, especially if the game is tense. Stepping round is something I'm almost forced to do by a significant number of opponents and obviously that too has its pros and its cons.

Both of those are just a crutch though - I can't do them all the time. I need to get better with the pimples, otherwise I may as just well change to double inverted.

_________________
[Old Gear/Other Setups] DHS Power G7, Adidas P7, Galaxy Mars v2, TSP Curl P1-R, Friendship 802, Butterfly Innershield, Xiom Omega IV Elite, Stiga Chop n' Drive, Butterfly Tenergy 64, Butterfly Tenergy 80, Butterfly Tenergy 05, Stiga Calibra LT Sound, Stiga Calibra Tour S, Tibhar Grass D.TecS
===========================
My blog: "Learning to play: as a modern defender": http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=22254


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Mar 2017, 20:11 
Offline
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
User avatar

Joined: 09 Nov 2012, 23:15
Posts: 1656
Location: Newcastle, UK
Has thanked: 153 times
Been thanked: 133 times
Blade: BTY Innershield
FH: BTY Tenergy 64 (2.1)
BH: TSP Spectol (1.7)
maurice101 wrote:
I drive 40 minutes for my coach. For me, 20 miles seems not much distance at all!

Sorry, it's not just distance, it's timing too. His sessions are at 5pm - I finish work at 4:30pm (earliest). Difficult to get 20 miles in 30 minutes at rush hour.

_________________
[Old Gear/Other Setups] DHS Power G7, Adidas P7, Galaxy Mars v2, TSP Curl P1-R, Friendship 802, Butterfly Innershield, Xiom Omega IV Elite, Stiga Chop n' Drive, Butterfly Tenergy 64, Butterfly Tenergy 80, Butterfly Tenergy 05, Stiga Calibra LT Sound, Stiga Calibra Tour S, Tibhar Grass D.TecS
===========================
My blog: "Learning to play: as a modern defender": http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=22254


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 19 Mar 2017, 15:34 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5040
Has thanked: 39 times
Been thanked: 128 times
One Week Plan to recover performance

- Get 8-9+ hrs sleep at least 5 nights of the week

- Watch Benny Hill and Mr. Bean an hour a day

- Eat chicken, with garlic/onions and Spinach

- Get an eye exam and new glasses

- Watch your football team win

- go to the TT hall and fight.

Well, sometimes you just need to get good rest/nutrition and let a little time go by without worrying about anything.

_________________
Tibhar Kim Jung Hoon FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P BH Nexy Elips

President, Korea Foreign TTC
http://www.facebook.com/koreaforeignttc

Hit us up on FB or the Forum

Janitor at Nexy USA
http://www.NexyUSA.com
http://www.facebook.com/Nexyusa/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 20 Mar 2017, 10:53 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jun 2017, 00:31
Posts: 236
Location: Maryland, USA
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 33 times
Blade: Premade Bty
FH: Inverted Red
BH: Inverted Black
Der_Echte wrote:
One Week Plan to recover performance

- Get 8-9+ hrs sleep at least 5 nights of the week

- Watch Benny Hill and Mr. Bean an hour a day

- Eat chicken, with garlic/onions and Spinach

- Get an eye exam and new glasses

- Watch your football team win

- go to the TT hall and fight.

Well, sometimes you just need to get good rest/nutrition and let a little time go by without worrying about anything.

I +1 this!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 20 Mar 2017, 16:28 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 5710
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 669 times
Der_Echte wrote:
- Watch your football team win


What happens if they lose? :lol:

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Mar 2017, 15:16 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5040
Has thanked: 39 times
Been thanked: 128 times
iskandar taib wrote:
Der_Echte wrote:
- Watch your football team win


What happens if they lose? :lol:

Iskandar


They won't if your team is the REDS... FBC Bayern red at least, those jokers have a ridiculous win percentage in all comps.

_________________
Tibhar Kim Jung Hoon FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P BH Nexy Elips

President, Korea Foreign TTC
http://www.facebook.com/koreaforeignttc

Hit us up on FB or the Forum

Janitor at Nexy USA
http://www.NexyUSA.com
http://www.facebook.com/Nexyusa/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Mar 2017, 15:18 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5040
Has thanked: 39 times
Been thanked: 128 times
FBC recently tore up a Bindesliga team 8 to freeking ZERO, and tore up the Gunners 5-1 in C.L. play TWICE back to back.

Switch to the DARK SIDE Der_Echte sez.

_________________
Tibhar Kim Jung Hoon FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P BH Nexy Elips

President, Korea Foreign TTC
http://www.facebook.com/koreaforeignttc

Hit us up on FB or the Forum

Janitor at Nexy USA
http://www.NexyUSA.com
http://www.facebook.com/Nexyusa/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Mar 2017, 18:01 
Offline
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
User avatar

Joined: 09 Nov 2012, 23:15
Posts: 1656
Location: Newcastle, UK
Has thanked: 153 times
Been thanked: 133 times
Blade: BTY Innershield
FH: BTY Tenergy 64 (2.1)
BH: TSP Spectol (1.7)
Watching my football team win isn't really going to help. I'm a Newcastle United supporter :D

_________________
[Old Gear/Other Setups] DHS Power G7, Adidas P7, Galaxy Mars v2, TSP Curl P1-R, Friendship 802, Butterfly Innershield, Xiom Omega IV Elite, Stiga Chop n' Drive, Butterfly Tenergy 64, Butterfly Tenergy 80, Butterfly Tenergy 05, Stiga Calibra LT Sound, Stiga Calibra Tour S, Tibhar Grass D.TecS
===========================
My blog: "Learning to play: as a modern defender": http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=22254


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Mar 2017, 18:12 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5040
Has thanked: 39 times
Been thanked: 128 times
Well, maybe they have better luck VS Hamburg.

_________________
Tibhar Kim Jung Hoon FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P BH Nexy Elips

President, Korea Foreign TTC
http://www.facebook.com/koreaforeignttc

Hit us up on FB or the Forum

Janitor at Nexy USA
http://www.NexyUSA.com
http://www.facebook.com/Nexyusa/


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next




All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2012 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




Don't forget to 'LIKE' our forum on Facebook if you enjoy the content: