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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
PostPosted: 17 May 2018, 13:28 
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Im interested too see how long he will keep up his cho'ing or if he will keep doing it his whole career like that :p


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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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He regularly stares at his opponent when cho'ing, that's definitely not for self-motivation purposes.


Can't say I've seen him doing that. I mean, it's kinda hard to do when you're doing the Elvis.

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
PostPosted: 18 May 2018, 00:45 
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This from the 2018 Japan Championship Finals

When Harimoto won the game he quickly performed a high energy cho celebration. However when he won the match he immediately placed his paddle on the table and did an anime sprint towards his coach or whoever.


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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
PostPosted: 18 May 2018, 08:09 
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benc6190 wrote:
This from the 2018 Japan Championship Finals

When Harimoto won the game he quickly performed a high energy cho celebration. However when he won the match he immediately placed his paddle on the table and did an anime sprint towards his coach or whoever.
Not sure I understand your point here, but I have two.

Firstly, had he done the courteous thing of a handshake first (I suspect not)

And secondly, is such an OTT celebration gentlemanly/sporting..?

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
PostPosted: 18 May 2018, 19:02 
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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
PostPosted: 18 May 2018, 19:04 
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On the subject of Harimoto, I genuinely believe that such over-zealous "cho'ing" is also counterproductive in terms of trying to get new players into the sport.

Show a non-TT person one of his matches and I would be willing to bet my house that at some point, with disgust, they'll ask "Why does he keep shouting like an idiot?". Especially true for women in my first hand experience.

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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I have become inured to the Cho, OK, it can seem a bit much when you are watching edited games, but the only time I have seen him play live, at the TWC in London, I barely noticed anything from him during the 4-table stage, and can't say i really remember much cho-ing from the last two days, of only 1 table.

As to the effect on the opponent, I suspect that most of them are pretty zen about it. At my best, I have learned to focus on the point during games, to the extent that even the score of the game doesn't register until I've won. But I see some people who are wildly upset at the slightest thing, the slightest noise from the audience, the smallest movement in their eyeline etc. They need to learn to be a little less upset, and play their own game.

And I do believe that Harimoto is not the worst, but just gets more publicity. There are at least a good half-dozen people on the tour whose antics I find more deplorable.

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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benc6190 wrote:
This from the 2018 Japan Championship Finals

When Harimoto won the game he quickly performed a high energy cho celebration. However when he won the match he immediately placed his paddle on the table and did an anime sprint towards his coach or whoever.
Not sure I understand your point here, but I have two.

Firstly, had he done the courteous thing of a handshake first (I suspect not)

And secondly, is such an OTT celebration gentlemanly/sporting..?

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
PostPosted: 19 May 2018, 02:27 
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And I do believe that Harimoto is not the worst, but just gets more publicity. There are at least a good half-dozen people on the tour whose antics I find more deplorable.


Aha, but with this statement, it tells me that even for you, there are behaviors that you find "deplorable." Everyone has a line to be crossed. I guess yours is slightly north of Harimoto's antics in terms of deplorableness.

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I say we need more players like harimoto! More cho'ing!


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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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benc6190 wrote:
However when he won the match he immediately placed his paddle on the table and did an anime sprint towards his coach or whoever.


What's a "anime sprint"? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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Kids are copying this.

The Choing is painful and I can kind of cope - but I'm worried and have now seen evidence of it being used as a "stepping stone" to further gamesmanship kind of thing.

Played a kid recently who did one of the dirtiest timeout's I've ever seen. He was also a prolific Cho'er (every point he won, even some he lost) and seemed to relish how stunned everyone was at his behavior. I'd seen other behavior that he had tried to get away with similar.

I wonder if the coaches out there are encouraging them to play "within the rules" but stretching them a bit?

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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Oh come on.. Kids were cho'ing before Harimoto came along. This is a case of "post hoc ergo propter hoc", except that there was a lot of going on pre-hoc as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Harimoto Cho
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Whether your opinion is that it's ok or not, the fact we are even discussing this suggests something is amiss.

If we were discussing the colour of his shoes then i don't think it matters however when the topic is behavioral, if 50% ok people think it's not ok, its not ok.

If 50% of customers of a store thought staff swearing was unacceptable, the store has a problem. I feel that table tennis could potentially lose some of its customers if this type of behaviour became normal, even if 50% thought it were ok.

If it weren't ok for everyone to do it, it shouldn't be ok for one.

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